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Addressing our needs?

Discussion in 'College Football' started by Oh8ch, Jan 16, 2005.

  1. Oh8ch

    Oh8ch Cognoscente of Omphaloskepsis Staff Member

    With the outcry over missing McCoy (not so much here as elsewhere) I thought it would be worthwhile to discuss how we (you know - 'we' - the coaches and all us posters who have been working so hard) are doing at meeting our needs. This team is loaded at every position except RB for next year and sits quite nicely everywhere but LB for the next two years. The question we should ask every recruiting season is how we are shaping up for the next three or four years.

    Egotist that I am I am referencing my own chart (http://www.buckeyeplanet.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2388) for this. I know I need to move a few players - and I haven't added Wells yet - but I think this is pretty much on the mark.

    QB - No, we didn't get Sanchez, but OSU never lands a Sanchez. However, with Schoenhoet on board I can't remember a time where OSU was in this good a shape in terms of having quality QBs flowing through the pipeline. Of course, we need to keep Smith - as I believe we will and should (sorry if I am in the minority on that one).

    RB - Wells helps here but IMO does not fully solve the problem (it would help if he were more of a power back). I may still be selling Haw and Pittman short, but OSU needs and has always had an outstanding stable of RBs. We don't. We haven't since we lost Clarett (who screwed us up for two recruiting classes along with everything else he did). Land Gwaltney and I will change my assessment of this one somewhat. The three kids we have (make it 4 with Anderson who - if he stays at RB will likely RS) could surprise but at this point I think our recruiting efforts have fallen short (over the past three years more than just this year). Again, I am not discounting Wells and others, I am only saying that tOSU traditionally has a more experienced and proven capability than we have now or will have next year. Time may be the only solution here.

    (BTW - anybody know the latest on Guillford?)

    FB - Johnson looks good and has three more seasons. You only need one healthy FB the way OSU is now using the position. This is a big speed position and we can always move folks into it. We had no strong need here in this class IMO.

    TE - Similar to FB. We can move folks around to TE but we also have some excellent players two of whom have at least three years left. No need here IMO.

    WR - Loaded. Would have been great to get a five star, but we are simply loaded at WR and that isn't changing soon.

    OL - We are in better shape at OL than we have been in at least five years with or without Bemoll. We have 7 OL with 3 or more years left and four of those were rated 4 stars or better. I am really excited about our OL.

    DL - (I am not going to talk DT vs DE because we move folks too much.) We could use another body or two - and likely will get them - but the pipeline is loaded here as well. Nine kids with three or more years remaining and lots of studs in that group.

    DB - Tons of talent, but we lose 7 of these kids in the next two years - more if you consider folks who could leave early. We need another quality kid in this class - but that is not a pressing need if we cover it next year.

    LB - Here is the spot everyone is so worried about. Four outstanding LBs leave after next season - unelss Mike D gets another season (he doesn't meet the definition of medical redshirt as I understand the rules - but here's hopin). But in the last two classes we have landed six kids at this position. Freeman is a stud. Coaches love Hoobler. Lenix is a stud. We have three more kids plus Lukens from two years ago (and Kerr who might finally see the field in '06) with a chance to step up. We are simply not short on LBs. Still, McCoy would have been huge. Kids like that always are. But the issue at LB after next season is experience, not talent. McCoy would not have solved that problem.

    Oh, and we aren't done yet.

    So, despite ESPNs best efforts to undermine our program the coaches are doing just fine thank you very much.
     
  2. Buckeyeskickbuttocks

    Buckeyeskickbuttocks Z --> Z^2 + c Staff Member

    Can't disagree with your analysis.

    I think getting another TB, in fact maybe 2, is necessary. I am excited about Haw and Pittman and Wells, but I'd like to also be sure that if/when one of those guys goes down we're not all of a sudden "too thin" at TB. Who knows what JG will do, but I am beging to think he'll be a Buckeye come LOI day. The Dispatch had an article on Wells this AM, and MW indicated that OSU is taking 2 TB in this class, and then went on to talk about he and JG hitting it off well at the AA game. It might be nothing, but I hope thats a good wink towards "good news" from New York.

    The amount of talent at TB and WR is unquestioned. DB especially, we've got guys like Nick Patterson who people have totally forgotten, just waiting for an opportunity. Jamo coming..... With the emergence of Tony Gonzalez as a legit 3, WR will be a strength next season no matter who's taking snaps. All that said, can't fall asleep on WR recruiting, and I doubt Tressel and Co. will let that happen.

    The D line is fine. The O-line is improving. It would have been nice to get Bemoll and Taz, or one or the other to come in with Boone. But, even so, with the guys OSU got last year, and even with only Boone this year, the future is looking up. I still think we need to grab another stud O-Lineman this year, maybe Bemoll will re-commit, but I guess the word is he's lost to us. I remain hopeful. Too bad on the timing, it would have been nice if Taz was still available. But, after being held at arms length for so long, maybe Taz wouldn't have signed the LOI anyway.

    I'm not convinced McCoy will honor his verbal to UT. He probably will, sure, but if his "heart" is at OSU, he may reconsider.
     
  3. BB73

    BB73 Loves Buckeye History Staff Member Bookie '16 & '17 Upset Contest Winner

    We got another fine O-lineman in Jim Cordle this year.
     
  4. NuclearBuck

    NuclearBuck Buckeye in Exile

    Does anyone else see the potential Laurinaitis, Lenix and Spitler have? Especially given the tutors they'll have this year.
     
  5. can't agree more

    do you think jt goes after another rb or do we lay all our eggs in Gwaltney's basket ?

    as far as lb look for a safety or two to move up kids always get bigger a yr or two into the system.

    our future is bright despite the (circle jerk going on with osu a pivot man) i.e. espn
     
  6. Great post, I think like most buckeye fans I just feel there are not enough 'sure things' Surprise players always emerge but it is hard to bank on that. I'm just not sure the: Barrows, Gholstons and Terrys of the team will ever contribute. History tells me one of them will be great, one good and one will never see the field. Where I feel like for the Freemans, Hooblers (and McCoys) of the team it would have been just a matter of time before they are great.

     
  7. Buckeyeskickbuttocks

    Buckeyeskickbuttocks Z --> Z^2 + c Staff Member

    Barrow and Gholston are both sure things, methinks. Barrow especially. I can't wait for him to treat Henne like he did in the big 33 last year.


    A few "Sure things:"

    Ken Yon Rambo
    Marco Cooper
    Angelo Chatthams


    Of course, you can't simply ignore the 5 stars, that'd be absurd. Still, all this ranking business that Scout, Insiders and Rivals etc. make a living on, is very far from science. How many #1 classes has Texas had? Last NC? I rest my case.
     
  8. NJ-Buckeye

    NJ-Buckeye They Hate Us cuz They Ain't Us.. Banners are good Staff Member

    guess I still frown when I match it up against tried and true.. Hawk, D'Andrea, Carpenter... altho, when you consider the 'experts' rated those three as 4, 5 and 3 star... and hindsight proves these are 3 5-star studs... did I say I adore Bobby Carpenter yet...??

    Looks like the offense is in good shape for the future... but the defense worries me.. and that's been the OSU forte... I don't see the dominating groups.. the future line and LBs.. with Ginn and Oneal the CBs COULD be phenom... but that is yet to be seen... that is such a difficult spot to dominate... (why Underwood would consider bailing NOW bewilders me)... safety looks studly for years to come...

    Gwaltney could provide solidification... but so will Chane Moline... With all due respect to Wells (Garfield) skills, I have not heard anyone say his best is offense.. he's a VERY good LB... McCoy looks excellent but Cushing (NJ) is the man... on pass plays he was next to the safeties in support... and I would not be surprised if the McCoy sweepstakes is officially over...

    But if I was a Def Coord facing Ginn, Wells, Smith, Holmes and Gonzales, I'd cry... watching film would consist of viewing vapors... the only way to see them would be to view a team photo... otherwise they'd be ghosts... did I say I adore Bobby Carpenter yet...??

    I see a very good team... but not sure if I see a dynasty in the fold... it doesn't have to happen this recruiting year but if not, next year must be the top guns
     
  9. BGriffBuckeye

    BGriffBuckeye Haaaang on Sloopy, Sloopy Hang on!! O.. H.. I.. O.

    FWIW - Scout.com has Lenix has a 4* LB and Lemming (yes, I know...) has him as the #24 ILB.
     
  10. Steve19

    Steve19 Watching. Always watching. Staff Member

    It is a testament to the coaching staff, alumni and all others working on this, that through all of this negativism this year, we are landing a top class. We may still get Bemoll and McCoy if the NCAA pronounces a clean bill of health, although that is unlikely. Nevertheless, this is a good class that we have landed despite all of this and I am much encouraged by all of your enthusiam guys!


    :lift: It would be unrealistic to expect a dynasty to begin next year, but it may very well be that it happens!
     
  11. BGriffBuckeye

    BGriffBuckeye Haaaang on Sloopy, Sloopy Hang on!! O.. H.. I.. O.

    LB question?

    W/Mike D'Andera's injury this year, would he be eligable for a medical redshirt? And, if so, could he play OLB?

    These are his measureables from when he commited:
    Height: 6-foot-3
    Weight: 230 pounds
    40-yard dash: 4.55 seconds

    I am trying to envision a future LB corp of:
    Freeman - Lukens - Smith - Wells
    Hoobler - Laurinaitis - Kerr - Homan
    D'Andrea - Terry - Spitler - Gibson
    (Now, Wells at Lb is obviously only if we can get Gwaltney)

    Just wondering if his was at all possible, considering we don't reel in Kearney this year.
     
  12. PlanoBuckeye

    PlanoBuckeye Newbie

    Nice post. One question - what is the status of our kicking game next year?
     
  13. wadc45

    wadc45 Bourbon, Bow Ties and Baseball Hats Staff Member BP Recruiting Team

    I don't believe D'Andrea is eligible for a medical redshirt...

    Huston applied for a medical redshirt and I don't know if a decision has been made yet...

    If he is gone, Trapasso probably has the inside track on the punting job and I would imagine my boy Pretorious has the inside track on the kickoff duties. FGs and PATs will probably be a battle by Pettrey, Skeete, and Pretorious. Did that kid from Boston ever decide what he was going to do?
     
  14. msj2487

    msj2487 You bred raptors?

    I think Laurinaitis is vastly underrated and will definitley shine at tOSU. I don't know too much about Spitler, and Lenix will be a stud depending on where the coaches see fit for him.
     
  15. Alan

    Alan Banned

    agreed msj....Laurinaitis is a real sleeper in this class
     

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