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As one professional says in the article, some of the testing is problematic, but other than that, it's food for thought. I know that, in my particular industry, there are those who have climbed the corporate ladder on the backs of all those around them. I also have known people that genuinely care about others regardless of one quality or another.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-...-poorer-to-lie-or-cheat-researchers-find.html

Are society?s most noble actors found within society?s nobility?
That question spurred Paul Piff, a Ph.D. candidate in psychology at the University of California, Berkeley, to explore whether higher social class is linked to higher ideals, he said in a telephone interview.
The answer Piff found after conducting seven different experiments is: no. The pursuit of self-interest is a ?fundamental motive among society?s elite, and the increased want associated with greater wealth and status can promote wrongdoing,? Piff and his colleagues wrote yesterday in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.
The ?upper class,? as defined by the study, were more likely to break the law while driving, take candy from children, lie in negotiation, cheat to raise their odds of winning a prize and endorse unethical behavior at work, the research found. The solution, Piff said, is to find a way to increase empathy among wealthier people.
?It?s not that the rich are innately bad, but as you rise in the ranks -- whether as a person or a nonhuman primate -- you become more self-focused,? Piff said. ?You can change that by reminding upper-class people of the needs of others. That may not be their default, but have them do it is sufficient to increase their patterns of altruistic behavior.?
That theory will be the basis of his next study. Piff is curious to know how to change patterns of greed and selfishness when they emerge.
Ethics Courses

Previous research has shown that students who take economics classes are more likely to describe greed as good. Pairing ethics courses with economics may be beneficial, Piff said.
?It might be as simple as not only stressing individual performance, but the value of cooperation and improving the welfare of others,? he said. ?That goes a long way.?
In the research reported yesterday, the experiments suggest at least some wealthier people ?perceive greed as positive and beneficial,? probably as a result of education, personal independence and the resources they have to deal with potentially negative consequences, the authors wrote.
While the tests measured only ?minor infractions,? that factor made the results ?even more surprising,? Piff said.
One experiment invited 195 adults recruited using Craigslist to play a game in which a computer ?rolled dice? for a chance to win a $50 gift certificate. The numbers each participant rolled were the same; anyone self-reporting a total higher than 12 was lying about their score. Those in wealthier groups were found to be more likely to fib, Piff said.
Risks of Cheating

?A $50 prize is a measly sum to people who make $250,000 a year,? he said in a telephone interview. ?So why are they more inclined to cheat? For a person with lower socioeconomic status, that $50 would get you more, and the risks are small.?
Poorer participants may be less likely to cheat because they must rely more on their community to get by, and thus are more likely adhere to community standards, Piff said. By comparison, ?upper-class individuals are more self-focused, they privilege themselves over others, and they engage in self- interested patterns of behavior,? he said.
In the traffic tests, about one-third of drivers in higher- status cars cut off other drivers at an intersection watched by the researchers, about double those in less costly cars. Additionally, almost half of the more expensive cars didn?t yield when a pedestrian entered the crosswalk while all of the lowest-status cars let the pedestrian cross. These experiments involved 426 vehicles.
Employment Test

Another test asked 108 adults found through Amazon.com Inc.?s (AMZN) work-recruiting website Mechanical Turk to assume the role of an employer negotiating a salary with someone seeking long-term employment. They were told several things about the job, including that it would soon be eliminated. Upper-class individuals were more likely not to mention to the job-seeker the temporary nature of the position, the research found.
?Support for free-market capitalism will collapse if those who do well don?t do good,? said Arthur Caplan, director of the Center for Bioethics at the University of Pennsylvania. ?Rapacious, intolerant, nonempathetic capitalism that says lie, cheat, steal, it?s only the bottom line that matters -- aside from being morally repugnant, it?s got a dim future.?
Study Design Criticized

Meredith McGinley, an assistant professor at Chatham University in Pittsburgh who wasn?t involved in the study, was critical of how some of the experiments were designed.
The car test complicates the results because having a flashy car doesn?t necessarily mean the driver is wealthy, said McGinley, who studies positive social behavior. In the experiment involving candy, the participants were told they could have it even though children were waiting for it. They may have felt they were doing nothing wrong, she said.
In the candy test, 129 undergraduates were manipulated to view themselves as wealthy or poor. They were then presented with a jar of individually wrapped candy, which researchers said would go to children in a nearby lab, though the participants could take some if they wanted. The undergraduates believing themselves to be upper income took more than those believing themselves to be low income, the study found.
Erik Gordon, a business professor at the University of Michigan in Ann Arbor, wasn?t surprised by the results, he said.
Greed ?on Upswing?

?Greed has been on the upswing for 20 years,? Gordon said in a telephone interview. ?Wealth or power that comes with high socioeconomic status means you are indeed enabled to ignore other people and might think that rules that apply to other people don?t apply to you.?
Gordon, though, thinks the research has its limits. It isn?t as much about wealth, he said, as it is about greed, a behavior that can be changed.
The very wealthy, who ?tend to drive 8-year-old cars? and ?don?t wear logos,? may offer a very different profile, he said, suggesting that the group targeted by Piff?s experiments with cars are more likely the ?nouveau riche.?
To be sure, Piff and his colleagues said there are exceptions to the associations they found, pointing to Warren Buffett, chairman and chief executive officer of Berkshire Hathaway Inc., who has pledged the majority of his holdings to the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation and other charities.
Less wealthy individuals also can behave badly, they wrote, noting the relationship between poverty and violent crime in previous research.
The study urged further research to determine the ?boundaries? of bad behavior spurred by greed. Adam Smith, the 18th century author of ?The Wealth of Nations,? may provide an example, as his first book, ?The Theory of Moral Sentiments,? was about ethics.
?A long time ago, you couldn?t leave the university without having a course in ethics,? Caplan said. ?One of the things college should do is provide you with the moral framework to operate in a capitalist society. When people ask about the value of philosophy, I point them there.?
 
I heard this study being talked about on the radio. Not having read the article yet, my question is the direction of influence they seem to conclude--that is the higher one rises, the less ethical they are. Perhaps it goes the other direction in that the less ethical one is, the higher they rise
 
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buckeyegrad;2116602; said:
I heard this study being talked about on the radio. Not having read the article yet, my question is the direction of influence they seem to conclude--that is the higher one rises, the less ethical they are. Perhaps it goes the other direction in that the less ethical one is, the higher they rise

I have wondered the exact same thing, and personally, I don't think it would be far off the mark.
 
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That question spurred Paul Piff, a Ph.D. candidate in psychology at the University of California, Berkeley, to explore whether higher social class is linked to higher ideals, he said in a telephone interview. The answer Piff found after conducting seven different experiments is: no. The pursuit of self-interest is a "fundamental motive among society's elite, and the increased want associated with greater wealth and status can promote wrongdoing," Piff and his colleagues wrote...
Great, so some future college professor, who will never do an honest day's work in his life, is going to judge the ethics of those who work in the corporate world. It is so easy to cast slings and arrows from the safety of the ivory tower.
 
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LordJeffBuck;2116966; said:
Great, so some future college professor, who will never do an honest day's work in his life, is going to judge the ethics of those who work in the corporate world. It is so easy to cast slings and arrows from the safety of the ivory tower.
It's not as easy as you think. Towers made out of ivory soap are notoriously slippery.
 
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LordJeffBuck;2116966; said:
Great, so some future college professor, who will never do an honest day's work in his life, is going to judge the ethics of those who work in the corporate world. It is so easy to cast slings and arrows from the safety of the ivory tower.

Your comment reminds me of something I heard Bill Bennett say about ethics in different professions. Essentially, having had multiple careers in which he had the opportunity to work closely with politicians, lawyers, journalists, college professors, law enforcement professionals, and military brass he felt the least ethical and most amoral group were college professors!
 
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buckeyegrad;2116983; said:
Your comment reminds me of something I heard Bill Bennett say about ethics in different professions. Essentially, having had multiple careers in which he had the opportunity to work closely with politicians, lawyers, journalists, college professors, law enforcement professionals, and military brass he felt the least ethical and most amoral group were college professors!
College babes are hot. Whatcha gonna do?
 
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buckeyegrad;2116602; said:
I heard this study being talked about on the radio. Not having read the article yet, my question is the direction of influence they seem to conclude--that is the higher one rises, the less ethical they are. Perhaps it goes the other direction in that the less ethical one is, the higher they rise

Or both. A vicious cycle of sacrificing your ethic to rise to a higher position that then requires you to sacrifice even more of your ethic?
 
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While not directly set into the basis of this thread, I thought this fit okay here. Maybe we'll blend this thread into Business and Ethics or something of the sort (should it have a life that continues).

http://blogs.reuters.com/breakingviews/2012/03/12/silicon-valleys-undeserved-moral-exceptionalism/

Silicon Valley?s undeserved moral exceptionalism

By Rob Cox
This essay appears in the March 19 edition of Newsweek. The author is a Reuters Breakingviews columnist. The opinions expressed are his own.
Silicon Valley likes to think of itself as morally exceptional. When Google went public in 2004, the Internet search company?s wunderkind founders, Larry Page and Sergey Brin, penned a letter to prospective shareholders that has become the Internet industry?s version of the Magna Carta. In it, they pledged that Google was ?not a conventional company? but one focused on ?making the world a better place.? Their manifesto followed a venerable tradition in Silicon Valley (meaning the swath of technology and Internet companies based in the cities and towns between San Francisco and San Jose). A decade earlier Apple co-founder Steve Jobs insisted that ?being the richest man in the cemetery doesn?t matter to me ? Going to bed at night saying we?ve done something wonderful ? that?s what matters to me.?
The newest inductees to the Silicon Valley pantheon have continued to think very well of themselves and their motives. Mark Pincus, who introduced Farmville and Words With Friends to create pleasant online distractions, embraced comparable sentiments when taking Zyng public last year: ?Games should do good. We want to help the world while doing our day jobs.? In the prospectus for what could be a record $10 billion initial public offering, Facebook founder Mark Zuckerberg promises that a similar philosophy will guide the social network. ?Simply put: we don?t build services to make money; we make money to build better services. And we think this is a good way to build something. These days I think more and more people want to use services from companies that believe in something beyond simply maximizing profits.?
After the financial crisis and the great Wall Street swindles of the past few years, this all sounds refreshing. Toiling away in places with bucolic names like Sunnyvale and Mountain View, entrepreneurs create products intended to improve mankind and make the world a better place. The narrative offers an antidote to tales of bailed-out bankers collecting undeserved bonuses and job-crushing private-equity barons paying lower tax rates than their secretaries. But wishing to hold the moral high ground does not make it so ? whether in industry, politics, or religion.
Though Silicon Valley?s newest billionaires may anoint themselves the saints of American capitalism, they?re beginning to resemble something else entirely: robber barons. Behind the hoodies and flip-flops lurk businesspeople as rapacious as the black-suited and top-hatted industrialists of the late 19th century. Like their predecessors in railroads, steel, banking, and oil a century ago, Silicon Valley?s new entrepreneurs are harnessing technology to make the world more efficient. But along the way, that process is bringing great economic and labor dislocation, as well as an unequal share of the spoils. Just last week, the Justice Department warned Apple that it planned to sue the company along with several U.S. publishers for colluding to raise the price of electronic books ? monopolistic behavior that would have made John Rockefeller proud.
?During the second industrial revolution, the economy went through major transitions, led by 50 individuals who became incredibly wealthy, leading to huge unemployment,? says Joe Lonsdale, a 2003 graduate of the university founded by one of those tycoons, Leland Stanford. Indeed, Lonsdale is hoping to make his own fortune by ?reinventing the infrastructure that powers global wealth? with his latest startup, Addepar. ?Instead of the robber barons, today it is the technologists who are doing the destroying.?
A few Silicon Valley denizens are beginning to recognize the risks inherent in combining moralistic hubris with the Internet?s powers of creative destruction. At a closed-door meeting of high-tech honchos in Davos last month, Cisco Systems Chairman John Chambers and Glenn Hutchins, founder of the leading investment firm Silver Lake, warned of a potential backlash. Not unlike the torrent of bad publicity surrounding Wall Street after the financial meltdown, a flood of bad press or even new regulation could follow from continued technology-driven job losses or a major breakdown of cybersecurity.
The truth is, it?s increasingly tough for the establishment of Silicon Valley to argue that their business is any less evil, or does any more good, than the bulk of Corporate America. Underneath the haughty language of moral superiority lies the same profit motive that drives all businesses ? and a ruthlessness rivaling history?s greatest industrial bullies.
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In general, I consider business and finance to be amoral. However, I find that over time, I'm not standing as staunchly in that POV.
 
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While not directly set into the basis of this thread, I thought this fit okay here. Maybe we'll blend this thread into Business and Ethics or something of the sort (should it have a life that continues).
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muffler dragon;2116596; said:
A $50 prize is a measly sum to people who make $250,000 a year,? he said in a telephone interview. ?So why are they more inclined to cheat? For a person with lower socioeconomic status, that $50 would get you more, and the risks are small.?
Poorer participants may be less likely to cheat because they must rely more on their community to get by, and thus are more likely adhere to community standards, Piff said. By comparison, ?upper-class individuals are more self-focused, they privilege themselves over others, and they engage in self- interested patterns of behavior,? he said.

:lol:...Yeah, I'm sure it has nothing to do with the consequences. Poor people get hammered for stealing fitty bucks. Rich folks get better jobs for stealing fitty g's.
 
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BUCKYLE;2124366; said:
:lol:...Yeah, I'm sure it has nothing to do with the consequences. Poor people get hammered for stealing fitty bucks. Rich folks get better jobs for stealing fitty g's.
Poor people get strung up for stealing a few bucks from rich people. Rich people hire lawyers to figure out legal ways to rob you blind.
 
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