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Wow, Hawaii loses five scholarships in football. Actually it doesn't surprise me all that much...they got a lot of kids that come from the middle to lower level public schools here, and Hawaii's public schools are notorious for being bad (however, the private schools are quite good). In fact, a year or two ago, Hawaii was ranked 51st in the country in public school education (Puerto Rico was also included, thus ranked 51st although we have only 50 states)...not very well suited for preparing kids for college.

Hey, I resemble that remark (public school graduate). :biggrin: I don't want to stray from Buckeye related themes, but I'd like to add to Mili's post. UH really struggles in recruiting. The quality private school kids go to the mainland, for the most part. The public school kids struggle to qualify, and even if they get in, it's a battle to graduate them. In terms of recruiting mainland high school guys, it takes a unique kid to come out this far. Homesickness, culture shock, lack of playing time takes some here. That leaves the JC's. Everyone knows the risk there. The UH coaches do the best they can, team GPA and graduation rates are increasing, but these APR figures will be tough for a school like UH. Back to the Bucks, anyone wonder what the pre-Tressel score would have been? I don't mean that as a slam to the past staff, more of a compliment to how guys are performing now.
 
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Historically blck colleges receive "mission exemptions"? WTF is that ? Grambling and Prairie View can let their (black) athletes slide b/c they are black schools, while "white" schools get the full brunt of the sanctions(which I support 100%)?
 
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Homesickness, culture shock, lack of playing time takes some here.

Pardon me for being an ignorant mid-western who rarely leaves the state :) (never been to HI)...but how does beautiful ocean scenery, beaches, surfing, hot chicks contribute to culture shock (in a negative sense)?

I would think most college guys - especially freshman football players - would think they died and gone to heaven
 
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What is the number that you get penalized at? I understand about basketball getting more of an exception but why arn't football teams...

t7. Minny 918
t7. Illinois 918
9. Wisky 914
10. Purdue 910
11. MSU 907

being penalized.

There is an obtuse explanation offered by the NCAA - LINK (PDF File)

Its not just the calculated APR, it is a combination of that with the squad size adjustment and departure of ineligible players that governs the dimension of the applied penalty.

FWIW, the 9 schollie penalty at Temple is the max for an 85 member squad (10% of grants-in-aid).

Also a little more disclosure on the institutions for which an APR report is not currently available --

LINK

Seems there is a little bit of appealing to the NCAA goiong on, things are close at the affected institutions, and, schollies are at risk.

UA football makes appeal to NCAA

By Eric Swedlund
ARIZONA DAILY STAR
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The UA's baseball and football teams are at risk of losing scholarships next fall under NCAA academic progress figures released Wednesday, although the football team is appealing.
The squads are among 99 Division I sports teams at 65 universities that fall below NCAA Academic Progress Rate standards, with the organization's academic reform efforts now hitting the penalty phase.
Starting this fall, underperforming teams will not be able to replace academically ineligible players who leave school, essentially losing those scholarships for one year.
At the University of Arizona, 18 teams meet the NCAA requirement of an APR rating of 925 or higher — equating roughly to a graduation rate of 50 percent.
But baseball and football fall below that threshold, at 865 and 882 respectively. The baseball team faces the maximum penalty, with 10 percent of its 11.7 scholarships at risk if academically ineligible players leave the team.
Kathleen "Rocky" LaRose, senior associate athletic director, said the UA has filed an appeal for the football program.
"We feel we have some real extenuating circumstances that surround the number of coaching changes we've gone through in five years," LaRose said. "That's been very disruptive to the academic progress of some of our students."
The Arizona football program has had four coaches in the last six seasons.
Dick Tomey left after the 2000 season. He was followed by John Mackovic (2001, '02 and part of '03), interim coach Mike Hankwitz (finished the 2003 season) and current coach Mike Stoops, who started in 2004.
LaRose said she expects to find out today or Friday whether the appeal was granted. She would not say how many of the football team's 85 scholarships are at risk, pending the outcome of the appeal.
The NCAA did not release the UA's full APR report because of the appeal, but athletic officials provided the Star with the APR data.
The UA is one of eight schools to appeal its APR penalties, joining Arizona State University, Northern Arizona University, San Diego State University, San Jose State University, Texas A&M University, the University of Kansas and Tulane University.
Nationwide, 90 of the teams that will lose scholarships are men's teams, and nine are women's.
Football tops the list with 23 teams, followed by baseball with 21 teams and men's basketball with 17 teams.
The APR was approved by the NCAA in April 2005, and last year's scores were a dry run.
Starting this year, teams can be penalized, and those that continue to post subpar scores could receive more severe punishments, such as the loss of postseason eligibility.

Who is affected by the NCAA's Academic Progress Rate standards
99
The amount of Division I sports teams at 65 universities that could lose scholarships.
1.17
The number of scholarships that
could be lost out of 11.7 given to
UA baseball each season.
All 3
The number of Division I universities in Arizona affected by the ruling. All are in danger of losing scholarships.
 
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Pardon me for being an ignorant mid-western who rarely leaves the state :) (never been to HI)...but how does beautiful ocean scenery, beaches, surfing, hot chicks contribute to culture shock (in a negative sense)?

I would think most college guys - especially freshman football players - would think they died and gone to heaven


I think what he is getting at is, with all that you just mentioned...

Would you want to go back to the dorms and study?

I didn't think so
 
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Historically blck colleges receive "mission exemptions"? WTF is that ? Grambling and Prairie View can let their (black) athletes slide b/c they are black schools, while "white" schools get the full brunt of the sanctions(which I support 100%)?

its only racism if it is negatively affecting a "minority" group. there is nothing wrong with discriminating against a white male based soley upon gender/race. however the opposite is wrong as such a person would likely be a minority... somewhere..
 
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i still don't see how this is supposed to help anything. why are we holding a college responsible for the grades of its students? is it the colleges fault i partied all night before my test? how about this. why don't we bill these kids for performing poorly? or leaving school early? take a cut out of the signing bonus of some kid as he enters the nfl draft early and see how quickly he starts thinking another year in school to get his degree might not be such a bad idea after all. put the money in a college fund for underprivileged youths or something.
 
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Sadly the new NBA draft rules are going to hurt many of the major college bball teams even more. If every HS player has to go to college for at least a year there are going to be a lot more one and done players. It probably would help if they would amend the ratings to remove players that left school early for professional sports. Before I pull schollies I would send investigators to the colleges to see what they are doing to help the players academically. If the school is doing everything it can I wouldn't punish them. Some people just can't handle college. One of my buddies came in Prop 48, went to school 5 years, and ended up deciding to skip all of his classes his last semester and not graduate. Our old OL coach called him into his office and bitched him out even though we wasn't even part of the team. The dude ended up working in a bar and tried to go back to school on his own to finish up later.
Is Kent State going to be able to take any at risk HS players now that they lose 2 schollies? That could kill their bball program that has been very strong for the past 10 years or so.
 
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Pardon me for being an ignorant mid-western who rarely leaves the state :) (never been to HI)...but how does beautiful ocean scenery, beaches, surfing, hot chicks contribute to culture shock (in a negative sense)?

I would think most college guys - especially freshman football players - would think they died and gone to heaven

Trust me, there is a difference in culture here compared to the mainland. Hawaiians (this includes not only the indigenous Hawaiians, but also Polynesian and Asian ethnicities who have family roots here for generations) have a strong sense of culture and if you don't "look local", it's quite tough to fit in at times. If you're "haole" (white) or "popolo" (black), there are places you simply don't go.

The language ("pidgin" English) is different, the general attitude is different, the food is different, the island is small (many get "island fever", a sort of "location claustrophobia"), it's expensive as hell, traffic sucks, the UH dorms leave a lot to be desired, many stores and restaurants that are all over the place in the mainland are limited or non-existent here, etc. And a lot of this is written off as "the price you pay to live in paradise" (which is nothing more than an excuse as to why things aren't better). Oahu isn't all sunshine, beaches, surfing, and babes as the TV commercials and travel site advertisements lead you to believe. It's a fairly small island and after a while you've seen everything and done everything.

Now, it would seem that I'm really slamming Hawaii, but I'm not...rather, I'm pointing out that even "paradise" has its rough edges. That, coupled with the vast distance between Hawaii the mainland and isolation from family can and does cause culture shock and homesickness. Many local Hawaiian kids suffer the same thing when they go to the mainland. You don't think Hawaiian kids experience the same amount of culture shock when they move to Wisconsin, Nebraska, or Tennessee (or Ohio, if we ever get a "real" Hawaiian commit...sorry, Scott :biggrin: )?
 
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How long do these schools lose the scholarships for? I read the ABJ sports page every day and it sounds like Kent got screwed over because they didn't know the rules. They let 5 players who wanted to transfer out of their scholarships mid semester rather than waiting until the end of the semester. If they had waited until the players got grades from that semester they would have passed.
 
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Academic Progress Rate
Ohio State gets another good report card
Wednesday, May 2, 2007 3:33 AM
By Ken Gordon

The Columbus Dispatch
For a second straight year, Ohio State's sports teams passed NCAA academic muster.

As school officials told The Dispatch earlier this year, no Ohio State team will face sanctions when the NCAA releases its Academic Progress Rate scores today.

http://www.columbusdispatch.com/dis...02/osu_apr02.ART_ART_05-02-07_C1_9O6IJAB.html
 
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