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The best part of Saturdays game was after Purdue scored Cam Heyward and the Buckeye defense was pissed!!! This shows me these guys mean business. They are out there to dominate people. They want to beat your ass up and down the field so bad you give up. I thought they were gonna hurt one of the NW players. I have never seen an OSU game where I was worried about the health of the opposing team until that game. The NW WR's were letting passes go by them because they were afraid!!! These boys are for real and the doubters are gonna get a dose of realit.

Some NW AND Purdue players admitted this was the best defense they had ever played.
 
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A few thoughts...

I never cared much for Pittman. Apparently, the NFL didn't (doesn't) either. I'd rather have Beanie as the primary back. Was it Dick Tressel who said this year's running back position is the deepest one yet? If Dick didn't say that, then one of the other coaches did. In any case, I'd give the nod to the 2007 team.

The threat of Ginn was as important (if not more important) than Ginn himself. Ginn allowed Gonzo to break loose and make big plays (defenders focused on Ginn, thus leaving Gonzo open). This year's squad has Robiskie and...that's it...so far. At some point, defenses will learn to cover Robiskie, so some other receiver will have to step up the way Gonzo did. Although I really don't like to use the NFL to judge college football...the 2006 team had two first-round WR draft picks. How many does the 2007 team have? 2006 takes it...for now.

The current offensive line seems to play better this year. I attribute this, in part, to the play of the tight ends---particularly Ballard. Ballard has made a few key blocks, which allowed running backs to gain considerable yardage. But is the offensive line really better or is the perceived difference really due to using more tight end sets (which in turn have helped make the o-line look better)? Since this year's squad lacks solid depth, I'd take last year's o-line.

Quarterback: The threat factor applies here as well. The threat of Smith running had to be taken seriously. So much so, that a defender would be assigned to "spy" on Smith. This threat (along with the Ginn threat) allowed someone on the offense to be open. Boeckman doesn't create that running threat, but has shown an ability to throw a pretty good deep ball. I know, I know...Boeckman's stats indicate a high number of INTs. At least 3 of those can be attributed to great plays by defenders. The 2006 team had better depth. Pick: 2006, but not by much.

Special Teams - 2006 (especially given the kickoff rule change), but I really, really like what I see in freshman Brian Rolle on kickoff coverage.

Defense - 2007 in every aspect. Seriously.

Now here's the best part about this 2007 team. Virtually the entire team returns next year!

Losses due to graduation = Kirk Barton (that hurts), Fullbacks (not a big deal, imo), and Larry Grant (plenty of good players behind him).

Losses due to the draft = speculation. Robiskie, Laurinaitis, and Jenkins have enough talent and promise to bolt for the draft. I'm not sure Boone or Gholston have made a big enough impact to be chosen high enough to warrant leaving, but you never know (ie Pittman).
 
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Don't look now but College Football News, Sports Illustrated and other media outlets are starting to realize that their 41-14 judgement of Ohio State showed their knee-jerk ignorance. Their prevailing question is what we're all talking about now: Could OSU (the team, not Troy Smith) actually be better than last year?

P.S. - The entertainment will really start when USC finishes in the middle of the PAC 10 including a loss to Notre Dame... Yes, I said it.
 
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I'm not ready to throw dirst on USC's grave just yet but I think if they continue to slide a bit(from the undefeated constant NC caliber team perception) people will start to look at when the upsets started to happen and when Pete's two best coordinators left.

I'm not ready to go there just yet but sportswriters will be soon imo.
 
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Jaxbuck;953956; said:
I'm not ready to throw dirst on USC's grave just yet but I think if they continue to slide a bit(from the undefeated constant NC caliber team perception) people will start to look at when the upsets started to happen and when Pete's two best coordinators left.

I'm not ready to go there just yet but sportswriters will be soon imo.

They're not all ready to bury USC just yet. In today's article, Fiu picked tOSU vs. USC in the title game in New Orleans.

cfn
 
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I didn't mean for my toungue-in-cheek comment to sidetrack this thread. There is no way Notre Dame should beat USC.. but this year I wouldn't be surprised. I was only pointing out that Ohio State is one of the few teams impressively beating the teams they're supposed to beat. Many have mentioned that we haven't been challenged yet.... but will we play anyone that much better than Washington in the regular season? The biggest challenge may come in the bowl game and we'll be ready!
 
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Carmen Ohio;954248; said:
I didn't mean for my toungue-in-cheek comment to sidetrack this thread. There is no way Notre Dame should beat USC.. but this year I wouldn't be surprised. I was only pointing out that Ohio State is one of the few teams impressively beating the teams they're supposed to beat. Many have mentioned that we haven't been challenged yet.... but will we play anyone that much better than Washington in the regular season? The biggest challenge may come in the bowl game and we'll be ready!

Great post, Carmen. I was one of the few to vote the Buckeyes 13-0/NC at the start of the season. Love the huge chip on the shoulder.

If they do go down, it won't be due to a lack of desire and/or ability.

:gobucks3::osu2::gobucks4:
 
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pianobuck46;954706; said:
I was one of the few to vote the Buckeyes 13-0/NC at the start of the season. Love the huge chip on the shoulder.

If they do go down, it won't be due to a lack of desire and/or ability.

:gobucks3::osu2::gobucks4:

Anybody else onboard? I agree with Piano.

Boeckman may not be the athlete Smith was, but he's developing into a hell of a quarterback (41-14) . Robiskie may not have Ginn's flash, but he'll end the season with more touchdowns and receiving yards. Small has Ginn's flash and he'll end the season with more flash. Hartline took over Gonzales' role as a possesion receiver but Hartline doesn't need a Ginn type diversion to get his catches (41-14). Pittman's greatness is directly linked to the dominance of our offensive line... against our regular season schedule (41-14). I honestly believe this defense is light years better 2006 in many ways... most importantly keeping our opponents out of the end zone (41-14).
 
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Two things regarding these comparisons:

1. Why does everyone keep saying Hartline is better than Gonzalez when comparing 2006 vs. 2007? How quickly we forget I guess. Iowa ring any bells? Every year against Michigan ring any bells? Robiskie is better than he was last year but Ginn, Gonzalez and Robiskie are by far the better group. No way to cover em all. This season when teams start to double Robo we're going to see the difference.

2. The offense this season is hanging with last seasons to this point due specifically to the continuing progression of the Offensive Line. There were times last year when the line didnt actually shine. The same could be said for the beginning of this season. Lately though the line is giving Boeckman worlds of time and the holes are there every play waiting for the RB's to hit them.

Its fair to compare the teams because both were undefeated after 6 games, but if we show up in Glendale last seasons team could go down as one of our best ever. Does this team strike everyone as that calibur?
 
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As far as GOAT, last year's team can't be considered because Glendale DID happen. I wish they'd shown up, but they didn't.

What is clear is not whether the team is better, but whether the defense is better. There is serious discussion going on in other threads about whether this defense has the potential to be considered with the likes of '02, '98 and '73. That this defense is better than last years should not be considered a serious question in the mind of anyone who is paying attention.

With this defense, I think this team is better equipped for an NC run than last year's team. They may or may not get there, but this defense combined with an offense that continues to grow is what it takes to get there (as long as Special Teams don't break down, which no one expects).

As for GOAT consideration for this team; it's a moot point. If, by the end of the year this team IS considered the GOAT (which I doubt) that consideration will be short-lived. Whatever happens this year, next year's team has the potential to be better.
 
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