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Big Ten and other Conference Expansion

Discussion in 'College Football' started by Mike80, Jul 26, 2007.


Which Teams Should the Big Ten Add? (please limit to four selections)

  1. Boston College

    29 vote(s)
  2. Cincinnati

    17 vote(s)
  3. Connecticut

    6 vote(s)
  4. Duke

    17 vote(s)
  5. Georgia Tech

    52 vote(s)
  6. Kansas

    44 vote(s)
  7. Maryland

    68 vote(s)
  8. Missouri

    91 vote(s)
  9. North Carolina

    29 vote(s)
  10. Notre Dame

    200 vote(s)
  11. Oklahoma

    76 vote(s)
  12. Pittsburgh

    42 vote(s)
  13. Rutgers

    38 vote(s)
  14. Syracuse

    17 vote(s)
  15. Texas

    122 vote(s)
  16. Vanderbilt

    13 vote(s)
  17. Virginia

    40 vote(s)
  18. Virginia Tech

    58 vote(s)
  19. Stay at 12 teams and don't expand

    25 vote(s)
  20. Add some other school(s) not listed

    16 vote(s)
Multiple votes are allowed.
  1. MUBuck

    MUBuck Peach fuzz buzz but beard on the verge

    RE: Pac12 expansion

    As was previously mentioned, there don't seem to be many options out west that match up academically (BYU, UNLV, SDSU, etc). However, there are plenty of top-notch schools with large student populations that would fit, except for athletics. I'm talking about the branch schools (Irvine, Davis, Santa Barbara, San Diego).

    The biggest question is how long until they could field competitive teams? Also, I have no idea if taking some of them would be acceptable while leaving others out (Riverside, Santa Cruz, Merced).

    Given that I have absolutely no knowledge of the UC system, any thoughts from others? With the new partnership between the B1G-Pac12, I'm hoping that they can find a creative way to grow.
  2. PlanetFrnd

    PlanetFrnd Newbie

    The other UC schools are good schools and all, but they would never be viable candidates. They don't have the infrastructure, money, alumni base, wherewithall to join a major conference even if the non-UC schools would let in more UC schools, which I doubt. Colorado and Utah are great flagship schools for the Pac-12, and I think to expand they would want more of the same, which, I agree, is slim pickins out there. I could see Nevada (with some conformity to Pac 12 standards), and perhaps another of the Catholics like Gonzaga or St. Mary's before a UC Davis. Hawaii is, to me, a decent fit, but I have no idea what its academic situation is like. Like you, I have a hard time seeing where they get growth from. UT would have been a decent fit for the Pac 12, as much as I would hate to see it... yeah, not sure.
  3. Woody1968

    Woody1968 Agent Provocateur

    Idaho was an Original Member of the Pacific Coast Conference, but their facilities and Athletics would need to drastically improve. The other big drawback is that they are Idaho.
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  5. LovelandBuckeye

    LovelandBuckeye If you choose positivity you must first bitch up.

    That would be hilarious to watch Truck Driver U lose it though.
  6. Muck

    Muck Enjoy Every Sandwich Staff Member

    UC system schools are very unlikely primarily because of a lack of interest on their part with UCLA & Cal already being represented as a secondary factor.

    Barring a miracle sectarian schools are not going to be invited (Presidents have flat out stated as much).

    With a strong commitment to build the necessary facilities New Mexico & Nevada could be options in a generation or so.
  7. PlanetFrnd

    PlanetFrnd Newbie

    For some reason I thought UW was Jesuit... yeah, nevermind on Zaga or St. Mary. Nevada and UH are my best guess for next, but I'm 99.9999% sure I wont be proven right anytime soon.
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  8. Muck

    Muck Enjoy Every Sandwich Staff Member

  9. Diego-Bucks

    Diego-Bucks Lost in Canada

    SDSU is highly unlikely to ever get a PAC-12 invite because of USC and UCLA. Those two programs do not want to invite another SoCal school to compete against. It is unlikely that it has to do with academics, though I imagine that we'd be the lowest school in the conference, we are on our way up though.

    We do already compete in the PAC-12 for Men's Soccer.
  10. broken24

    broken24 Rookie

    RE: Pac12 expansion

    I was reading the Bevo thread about FSU and Clemson going to the BIG 12. A USC fan had a post explaining how if the PAC 12 had to go to 16, they could pickup the remains of the Big East and ACC. Put those 4 teams in a football only pod. Because they would play each other 3 games a year and 3 of the remaining conf. games would be at home, they would only have to play 3 west coast games a year.

    It is an interesting idea. The Pac 12 wouldn't have to pickup small no name Univ's just the east coast schools no one else wants. The Rutgers of the world. It would add large TV markets and since neither coast really cares about college football the cultures would fit perfectly.
    Last edited: May 26, 2012
  11. So it would have a large TV market with very low ratings? How would that add to the PAC's bottom line? Adding the dregs of the Big East and the ACC is not a good selling point. Why would Rutgers or NCST want to spend the money to fly to the west coast three times a year?
  12. Roundabout

    Roundabout Freshman

    Its really worse then that

    You only have the football flight cost, think of all the non revenue sports... that would be just plain stupid move for the them...
  13. I think the post he was replying to was talking about making a four team expansion for football only. I still not sure if it would make much sense, but it would at least be possible. You're right though, it'd make absolutely zero sense to make them full members.
  14. broken24

    broken24 Rookie

    The pros and cons of adding Rutgers and any of the other B or C quality schools from the Big East or ACC have been discussed many times in this thread.

    Pro: Academics, Large state schools, Large alumni, Large state population wise, near NY.

    Con: Not great football, Apathetic fan base, NYC and the rest of the east coast are pro sports towns.

    How does the PAC 12 (or B1G for that matter) make money by adding them?

    1) Larger market with low ratings can be as good or better then small market with great rating. Getting 5% of NY and NJ to watch Rutgers play football is equal to 90% of Nebraska watching the huskers game.

    2) Getting Pac 12 TV (or BTN) on basic cable is where the money is. Also, Supposedly the PAC12 owns all or most of Pac12 TV vs. the 50/50 split that BTN has.

    Bear in mind, this is all based on the Mega-Conferences coming and that the PAC12's other options for addition (Hawaii, SDSU, Idaho, NM, Nevada) would really be money losers.

    It is better than the alternative. If the Mega-Conferences happen (4 conferences of 16 teams) and you are not in those conferences you basically joined the MAC.
    Last edited: May 27, 2012
  15. jwinslow

    jwinslow You know... not... GOOD! Staff Member

    No, it's not about NYC watching Rutgers, which they refuse to do now before an extreme uptick in competition by switching leagues.

    It is about TV revenue

    The BTN gets about 10 cents from a small chunk of NYC subscribers that pay for the sports tier with the BTN.

    If Rutgers joined the B1G, not only would the B1G get 80 cents instead of 10 from NYC and NJ subscribers, bye they would get it for every DirecTV and dish subscriber, not just sports package subscribers, because those are base package channels in B1G footprint states.

    It also puts pressure on cable providers to do the same or risk losing B1G fans living there (PSU OSU Michigan).

    I would suspect that DirecTV may take it a step further and offer it as a base channel for the rest of NYC but that is a guess whereas the rest is based on precedent
  16. buck1973

    buck1973 Sophmore

    DIRECTV already carries BTN as a base channel nationwide.

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