Big Ten and other Conference Expansion

[jwinslow]

Texas staying in Big 12 - The Denver Post

Earlier in the day, a source close to the Pac-10's expansion negotiations told The Denver Post today that Texas is insisting on better revenue sharing and its own network.

"In the 11th hour, after months of telling us they understand the TV rights, they're trying to pull a fast one on the verge of sealing the deal in the regents meeting," the source said. "They want a better revenue sharing deal and their own network. Those were points of principle. (The Pac-10) wants to treat everyone fairly. It's been that way for months of discussions."

Still want the hot chick, Oh8ch?

 

[Diego-Bucks]

I agree, especially since they already own six or seven bowl games (can' remember the actual number).

But, is that significantly different than the Big Ten Network's affiliation with Fox Sports?

I think the difference is that ESPN (or whatever network is offering this) would be over-bidding to save a conference that "the market" seems to have said should crumble. Although, it seems ESPN pretty much can bid whatever it wants to do this, all they have to do is increase their subscription rates. An interesting point is, what time frame would the Big 12 be playing their games on Saturday's on ESPN? The new Big 12 would have a good match-up (worthy of national broadcast) 3 times a year... UT-OU, UT-whatever Big 12 team is up and coming and OU- that same team so how is THAT worth $150m+ annually to the conference. Also, I have to wonder how Texas getting $25m or roughly twice of what Missouri and Kansas would be getting is justifiable to the long-term stability of the conference... yet again.

 

[Bucks910]

So now does the Big 12 become the Big 10 and the Big 10 become the Big 12?

 

[BrowardBuck]

I wasn't one that thought it a waste without Texas (hell, I went into this thinking ND and whoever else). Once it became know UT was a solid candidate, I was all for their addition to the B10. Now? Thank God it didn't happen. I am assuming the B10 didn't play the game and told them to take or leave it and UT left, thinking they had it made in the shade with the offer from the Pac10. Now THEY come out of this with all of the stank on them because it has become painfully obvious to everyone that UT has been scheming from the beginning. At the end of the day, after attempting to screw with and destory its own conference, they still come out of it with more money because the lapdogs are too scared to go off on their own. OU, Okie St., Mizzou (thnk you, may I have another?) and every other team in that conference will come to regret staying together with UT.

BB

Anybody who has recently restated that conference expansion is a waste without Texas... care to reconsider?

 

[jwinslow]

The big ten doesn't become anything else. The big twelve can do what they want, I'm guessing they stay the same.

 

[Bucknut24]

so, are we allowed to laugh at chip brown now?

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

[quote='BusNative;171717;7]In an interesting twist... just stated on Galloway & Co. (ESPN Dallas) that ESPN may be the network throwing money in to save the B12 (and give UT its own network)... if so, that's somewhere between hilarious and infuriating... in a deal where UT, OU and aTm each get $20-$25 million and other schools get ~$14 million... anyways, just typing what they're saying (the dudes on the radio are pissed)[/quote]

I think it's funny that the ONLY part of this whole realignment story that ESPN has been on top of in a timely manner is the pending TV deal that Dan Beebe was able to pull out of his rear end. Hmmm... I wonder where that came from?

If it wasn't ESPN, it was T. Boone Pickens.

How much do you want to bet, JD offers Mizzu now. Mizzu wanted to get out because of the unbalanced shafting, and the "new big XII" is based on the same shafting.... Contingency plan (and why Mizzu was "left out" last week) set in motion, is my guess.

Or the story is misreported, and Texas merely said no to the Pac 10, and ESPN filled in the rest.

 

[BrowardBuck]

What makes this even more funny is that when the B12 does finally implode, NO ONE is going to want to touch UT. I'm sure they've burned bridges with the Pac10. I think the B10 realized a while go that UT wasn't worth pursuing and they may have burned bridges with the B10 (both of their preferred conferences). Now, once that conference does fall apart, the only option UT may have left is to join the SEC, the conference they absolutely can't fathom being a part of. Karma is going to come back and bite them in the backside at some point.

BB

Texas staying in Big 12 - The Denver Post

Earlier in the day, a source close to the Pac-10's expansion negotiations told The Denver Post today that Texas is insisting on better revenue sharing and its own network.

"In the 11th hour, after months of telling us they understand the TV rights, they're trying to pull a fast one on the verge of sealing the deal in the regents meeting," the source said. "They want a better revenue sharing deal and their own network. Those were points of principle. (The Pac-10) wants to treat everyone fairly. It's been that way for months of discussions."

 

[808 Buck]

"They want a better revenue sharing deal and their own network. Those were points of principle."

I thought for sure it was about academic standing and increased educational opportunities for the student-athletes. Can't wait to see how the powers that be spin this one.

 

[jlb1705]

I agree, especially since they already own six or seven bowl games (can' remember the actual number).

But, is that significantly different than the Big Ten Network's affiliation with Fox Sports?

In my view, yes. The Big Ten owns 51% of that network. It's not a sponsorship, it's entrepreneurship.

In my view, an ESPN sponsored LSN is not as good a long-term deal as the BTN. The Big Ten member institutions have equity in the network. Texas are essentially renters. I think the main concern is from a competitive standpoint in football. ESPN are far and away the tastemakers in college football - they have a huge say in who gets treated favorably in the BCS system and who gets left behind. It has been bad enough with the way they have treated the SEC vs. other conferences over the past few years, and in my view it's only going to be worse if they are sponsoring individual programs.

This move might be the tipping point to get me to prefer a playoff system.

 

[jwinslow]

It has been bad enough with the way they have treated the SEC vs. other conferences over the past few years, and in my view it's only going to be worse if they are sponsoring individual programs.

They've pimped the b12 pretty heavily as well, with drastically less criticism for OU then they deserve after their track record in the BCS.

The b10 got that overboard praise in 06 as well. Not so much after the BTN kicked off in 07.

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

Nebraska and Colorado oughta be happy they aren't any one's bitch.

OU showed its ass big time.

 

[Jake]

I can get it on Comcast out here in Oregon.

I'm a few miles from Youngstown, Ohio and I don't get it on Armstrong. Three miles up the street they get it on Comcast. It depends on the cable company.

 

[PlanetFrnd]

How much do you want to bet, JD offers Mizzu now. Mizzu wanted to get out because of the unbalanced shafting, and the "new big XII" is based on the same shafting.... Contingency plan (and why Mizzu was "left out" last week) set in motion, is my guess.

I was thinking about this... hard to know what the exact move should be... With 4 spots to work with, does JD go attack the BEast for 2 of MD/Rut/Cuse to force ND's hand (or all three?)... or does he go after Mizzou to re-precipitate a B12 meltdown, forcing UT to think again (or the B12 to actually go get the AirForce/BYU/TCUs of the world)? Risk of either strategy is that the B10 might have to pick up some slop for one grand prize... that and and strategies to land UT and ND almost seem mutually exclusive of each other... I dont know how JD, evil genius though he might be, could convince UT to come without some B12 baggage (esp. at this point)... and without the meltdowxpansion momentum of last week, I'm not sure how he convinces ND that it has to move any time soon when college football is largely unchanged (despite the good football pickup of Neb for the B10)........

In the meantime, I'll look forward to the newest team in B10 women's volleyball...

 

[LordJeffBuck]

Official....Texas remaining with the Big 12 according to Fox Sports just now

This is not mutually exclusive with Texas joining the Big Ten somewhere down the road. In fact, it actually works to the Big Ten's advantage - it gives the parties more time to come to a deal (remember, the Big Ten still has another year or so left on their self-imposed expansion window), and it gives Texas an easy exit from the Big XII when the ten-team mini-conference doesn't work out.