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ScriptOhio
Everybody is somebody else's weirdo.
It's all about the TV money, what state has the most TV sets:
1. California: >39.5M people
13. Washington: >7.7M people
14. Arizona: >7.1M people
21. Colorado: >5.7M people
27. Oregon: >4.3M people
32. Utah >3.2M people
Arizona and/or Arizona State might be more attractive than Oregon. And hell ASU actually has an ice hockey team......
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dragurd
Head Coach
How are the Arizona schools academically? I think Utah, Oregon St and Washington St are the only for sure no goes if Arizona,ASU are academically good. Assuming the B1g wants moreIt's all about the TV money, what state has the most TV sets:
1. California: >39.5M people
13. Washington: >7.7M people
14. Arizona: >7.1M people
21. Colorado: >5.7M people
27. Oregon: >4.3M people
32. Utah >3.2M people
Arizona and/or Arizona State might be more attractive than Oregon. And hell ASU actually has an ice hockey team......
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ScriptOhio
Everybody is somebody else's weirdo.
Arizona, CAL, Stanford, Utah, Colorado, Oregon, and Washington are all AAU schools. I didn't see Arizona State, Washington State, or Oregon State on the list.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_of_American_Universities
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They aren't that great. Arizona is marginally better than Arizona State, but Tucson is hardly the market that Phoenix is. Oregon has built itself into more of a regional program than a single market. There is a lot of noise that Oregon and Washington have already approached the B1G. FWIW.
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dragurd
Head Coach
I wouldn't doubt it. That would be my first move if I was them and if told no I'd beg the SEC. I wonder whether Cal and Stanford are like fuck this I'm taking my ball and going home with this and NIL or they are at the B1g's door as well. Or do they think they can hold it together with the pieces of the Big 12
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ScriptOhio
Everybody is somebody else's weirdo.
Interesting article:
The end of USC and UCLA after dark: 7 things to know about the Big Ten move
The era of the college super conference is almost here.
Pac-12 flagship programs USC and UCLA are preparing for a 2024 jump to the Big Ten, after the move was announced Thursday, leaving the West Coast for a conference that promises early football kickoff times and long plane rides in exchange for massive paychecks. The drastic move shifts the entire college football landscape, consolidating more power to the Big Ten and Southeastern Conference and weakening the Pac-12 to the point where the “Conference of Champions” may be on its last legs.
Here’s what to know about the situation:
Why this makes sense for UCLA and USC
USC football coach Lincoln Riley watches his players during a practice session in March.
Big Bucks
Simply put, a move to the Big Ten could mean a huge payday for USC and UCLA.
The Big Ten has been a leader in revenue among Power Five conferences since it signed a lucrative media rights deal in 2017 and its member schools are still enjoying the spoils. The Big Ten reported more than $768 million in revenue during the 2019-20 fiscal year — the last before the COVID-19 pandemic — compared with roughly $533 million for the Pac-12. As a result, the Big Ten’s 12 longest-standing members collected about $54.3 million each, according to tax returns. Meanwhile, Pac-12 schools settled for $33.6 million each. (Big Ten newbies Maryland and Rutgers received $27.6 million and $11.4 million, respectively, in 2020.)
The numbers dropped drastically the following year because of the pandemic, but the Pac-12 schools were among the hardest hit. The Pac-12 distributed about $19.8 million to each of its members last year, a 40% cut from the pre-pandemic number. According to USA Today, the Big Ten paid its 12 longest-standing members between $43.1 million to $49.1 million, a drop ranging from 9.6% to 20.6% compared to the previous year’s average.
Better competition
The Pac-12’s last College Football Playoff appearance came in 2016 when Washington scored the sacrificial No. 4 seed that would get destroyed by No. 1 Alabama.
Meanwhile, the Big Ten has appeared in six of eight playoff semifinals, led by Ohio State’s four playoff berths. The Big Ten had four teams finish in the top 25 last year, while the Pac-12 hasn’t even had three top-25 finishers since 2017.
The Pac-12 tries to pass off its struggles as “parity,” but it suffered another blow last year when Pac-12 teams went 0-5 during the bowl season. The Big Ten sent 10 of its 14 teams to bowl games last season and went 6-4.
Getting into a conference with better teams and a higher strength of schedule is expected to lead to more CFP opportunities for UCLA and USC and better recruiting pitches as top athletes want chances to compete against the best for the top prizes.
Media exposure
Joining the Big Ten, which enjoys regular 9 a.m. and 12:30 p.m. PDT kickoffs, could mean the days of #Pac12AfterDark are over for UCLA and USC. While the late-night, infamously chaotic games were fun on Twitter, they are also major annoyances for athletic departments starving for fan interest. East Coast fans and media simply weren’t staying up until 1 a.m. EDT to watch two Pac-12 teams fumble the ball back and forth.
Now if USC or USC travels east to play one of their Big Ten opponents, they’ll be almost guaranteed a game that starts in the morning or early afternoon for West Coast fans. Then say Michigan travels west to face USC in the Coliseum. The kickoff time will likely remain out of the infamous 7:30 p.m. PDT slot to appease fans in Ann Arbor. L.A. college football fans could soon be resting easy on Saturday nights.
Why this makes sense for the Big Ten
Big Ten commissioner Kevin Warren speaks during a news conference in October.
Hello, Hollywood
The Big Ten, traditionally known as a Midwest conference, added Rutgers and Maryland in 2014, citing the larger media markets as positives for expansion. Eight years later, the Big Ten has added an even bigger media fish by claiming the Los Angeles market.
Initial reports indicated that the Big Ten’s next media rights deal, which is scheduled to start in 2023, could be worth $1 billion per year. The opportunity to add the L.A. schools could boost the number even higher.
Fighting fire with fire
The SEC fired the opening salvo last year by announcing it will add Oklahoma and Texas in 2024. Thursday’s news is the Big Ten’s answer, poaching major programs from the nation’s largest media market with a Power Five school.
With the SEC and Big Ten getting richer, the transition toward a “Power 2” college football landscape seems inevitable.
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Entire article: https://www.latimes.com/sports/story/2022-06-30/ucla-usc-moving-big-ten-pac-12-impact-what-we-know
The end of USC and UCLA after dark: 7 things to know about the Big Ten move
The era of the college super conference is almost here.
Pac-12 flagship programs USC and UCLA are preparing for a 2024 jump to the Big Ten, after the move was announced Thursday, leaving the West Coast for a conference that promises early football kickoff times and long plane rides in exchange for massive paychecks. The drastic move shifts the entire college football landscape, consolidating more power to the Big Ten and Southeastern Conference and weakening the Pac-12 to the point where the “Conference of Champions” may be on its last legs.
Here’s what to know about the situation:
Why this makes sense for UCLA and USC
USC football coach Lincoln Riley watches his players during a practice session in March.
Big Bucks
Simply put, a move to the Big Ten could mean a huge payday for USC and UCLA.
The Big Ten has been a leader in revenue among Power Five conferences since it signed a lucrative media rights deal in 2017 and its member schools are still enjoying the spoils. The Big Ten reported more than $768 million in revenue during the 2019-20 fiscal year — the last before the COVID-19 pandemic — compared with roughly $533 million for the Pac-12. As a result, the Big Ten’s 12 longest-standing members collected about $54.3 million each, according to tax returns. Meanwhile, Pac-12 schools settled for $33.6 million each. (Big Ten newbies Maryland and Rutgers received $27.6 million and $11.4 million, respectively, in 2020.)
The numbers dropped drastically the following year because of the pandemic, but the Pac-12 schools were among the hardest hit. The Pac-12 distributed about $19.8 million to each of its members last year, a 40% cut from the pre-pandemic number. According to USA Today, the Big Ten paid its 12 longest-standing members between $43.1 million to $49.1 million, a drop ranging from 9.6% to 20.6% compared to the previous year’s average.
Better competition
The Pac-12’s last College Football Playoff appearance came in 2016 when Washington scored the sacrificial No. 4 seed that would get destroyed by No. 1 Alabama.
Meanwhile, the Big Ten has appeared in six of eight playoff semifinals, led by Ohio State’s four playoff berths. The Big Ten had four teams finish in the top 25 last year, while the Pac-12 hasn’t even had three top-25 finishers since 2017.
The Pac-12 tries to pass off its struggles as “parity,” but it suffered another blow last year when Pac-12 teams went 0-5 during the bowl season. The Big Ten sent 10 of its 14 teams to bowl games last season and went 6-4.
Getting into a conference with better teams and a higher strength of schedule is expected to lead to more CFP opportunities for UCLA and USC and better recruiting pitches as top athletes want chances to compete against the best for the top prizes.
Media exposure
Joining the Big Ten, which enjoys regular 9 a.m. and 12:30 p.m. PDT kickoffs, could mean the days of #Pac12AfterDark are over for UCLA and USC. While the late-night, infamously chaotic games were fun on Twitter, they are also major annoyances for athletic departments starving for fan interest. East Coast fans and media simply weren’t staying up until 1 a.m. EDT to watch two Pac-12 teams fumble the ball back and forth.
Now if USC or USC travels east to play one of their Big Ten opponents, they’ll be almost guaranteed a game that starts in the morning or early afternoon for West Coast fans. Then say Michigan travels west to face USC in the Coliseum. The kickoff time will likely remain out of the infamous 7:30 p.m. PDT slot to appease fans in Ann Arbor. L.A. college football fans could soon be resting easy on Saturday nights.
Why this makes sense for the Big Ten
Big Ten commissioner Kevin Warren speaks during a news conference in October.
Hello, Hollywood
The Big Ten, traditionally known as a Midwest conference, added Rutgers and Maryland in 2014, citing the larger media markets as positives for expansion. Eight years later, the Big Ten has added an even bigger media fish by claiming the Los Angeles market.
Initial reports indicated that the Big Ten’s next media rights deal, which is scheduled to start in 2023, could be worth $1 billion per year. The opportunity to add the L.A. schools could boost the number even higher.
Fighting fire with fire
The SEC fired the opening salvo last year by announcing it will add Oklahoma and Texas in 2024. Thursday’s news is the Big Ten’s answer, poaching major programs from the nation’s largest media market with a Power Five school.
With the SEC and Big Ten getting richer, the transition toward a “Power 2” college football landscape seems inevitable.
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.
.
continued
Entire article: https://www.latimes.com/sports/story/2022-06-30/ucla-usc-moving-big-ten-pac-12-impact-what-we-know
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BuckTwenty
Parties with Pete Johnson's Beard
I think this has been inevitable due to how poorly the Pac12 has fared in football over the last decade. I mean, the last time the Pac12 even made the CFP was 2016 (Washington)
2016!
The Pac12's irrelevance on the biggest stage in college football has helped the SEC's also-rans think that they're a big deal. The Pac12 being down has been terrible for college football, and they've got no one but themselves to blame. Now it's rats fleeing a sinking ship to keep themselves relevant in today's college football landscape
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ShowMeBuck
You know what? Chicken butt.
After WA and OR maybe they swing for the fences with Stanford and the Domers. Never gonna happen though.
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