Boise State 33, Virginia Tech 30 (final)

[jlb1705]

Notre Dame consistently plays a garbage schedule and if they went undefeated is there any doubt they'd be given HEAVY consideration for the BCS Championship game?

Damn - at least Boise has earned it over the course of 4+ years.

If Boise State played the first six weeks of Notre Dame's schedule this year, all six would probably fall into the top ten most important regular season matchups in Boise State's history. If Notre Dame has a weak schedule, what does that say about Boise State?

 

[BayBuck]

Notre Dame consistently plays a garbage schedule and if they went undefeated is there any doubt they'd be given HEAVY consideration for the BCS Championship game?

Damn - at least Boise has earned it over the course of 4+ years.

Notre Dame consistently plays 3 Big Ten teams, USC, and at least a few more BCS-conference opponents. ND's schedules consistently put Boise's to shame.

 

[Dryden]

Here's something to think about....

If you had to bet on which teams would be in the top 15 in the 2020 preseason poll, who would you choose?

The 2020 prediction thread should be a contest.

 

[WolverineMike]

Notre Dame consistently plays a garbage schedule and if they went undefeated is there any doubt they'd be given HEAVY consideration for the BCS Championship game?

Damn - at least Boise has earned it over the course of 4+ years.

in the past four years they have steamrolled non factor teams in their conference and lost to:

Georgia
Fresno State
Boston College
Oregon State
Washington
East Carolina (really? really?)
TCU

where exactly has this non BCS team earned it? because it sure isn't with impressive wins over actual BCS opponents. A statue of liberty play and a 7 point win over another non BCS opponent they lost to the year before doesn't do much for me.

sorry

 

[BrutusBobcat]

What's missing in this conversation is that Boise's schedule is exactly why the computer component exists in the BCS. In 1984, BYU would likely not have "played" for the national title had our current BCS formula existed. Boise State is going to get brutally punished by the computers, and even a perfect season might not catapult them past a one loss SEC team which loses early and is ranked let's say third in the human polls.

The coaches are probably balanced between having a pro-Boise and anti-Boise bias based on conference affiliation, and the Harris voters are going to do what ever the Worldwide Spin Leader tells them to do on a given week. The third leg is the computer component, which will work against them, so overall I think that the odds of an unbeaten Boise being left out of the BCSCG are high. The media really screwed themselves by pulling the AP poll out of the BCS formula, and can now only influence the process indirectly.

Plus, the prospects of a BCS league team getting hot and jumping BSU in the human polls is also not being considered. If we're in week 9, and Nebraska is running the table like a combine through corn, do you really keep BSU above the Huskers? What if the PSU/OSU game features two strong unbeatens, or if Kelly's Zeros somehow manage to win their way through the bottom third of the B11, then go on to trounce the service academies and whatever convents they play next? There's probably a dozen teams out there who could/would pass an unbeaten Boise by week 9 if they're unbeaten.

We're a long, long ways away from "worrying" about worthy teams being bumped out of the BCSCG by the Broncos. There's a lot of football to be played, and plenty of teams other than OSU and Bama can keep the Smurf Turfers outside the velvet ropes.

 

[BigWoof31]

in the past four years they have steamrolled non factor teams in their conference and lost to:

Georgia
Fresno State
Boston College
Oregon State
Washington
East Carolina (really? really?)
TCU


sorry

I owe an apology to WolverineMike, ORD and others. I defended Boise because I liked they're "We'll play anyone, anytime, anywhere" attitude.

HOWEVER - if this article is true. [censored] Boise. Apparently Nebraska wanted to set up a Home/Home with BSU. And Boise wanted ONE MILLION DOLLARS for the trip to Lincoln. Unbelievable! I know we have Husker lurkers on BP - can anyone confirm/deny?

Shatel: Where’s the beef? Future NU schedules - Omaha.com

If they want to stay "mid major" status and collect checks - that's fine. But don't expect to play for Waterford Crystal Footballs.

 

[Tlangs]

What's missing in this conversation is that Boise's schedule is exactly why the computer component exists in the BCS. In 1984, BYU would likely not have "played" for the national title had our current BCS formula existed. Boise State is going to get brutally punished by the computers, and even a perfect season might not catapult them past a one loss SEC team which loses early and is ranked let's say third in the human polls.

I posted some info earlier in this thread. Last year before bowl games, TCU was ahead of 1 loss Florida and Boise was behind 1 loss Florida.

TCU sos was in the 60's, Boise was in the 80's. Boise's sos as of now is in the 90's somewhere depending on what rating you use. And that assumes that Va tech and Oregon State are good teams. If they keep losing...Boise is going to take a pounding in the computers.

 

[1997Buckeye]

If Boise and their fans want to be taken seriously, they need to go independent and leave the WAC and Mtn West cream-puffs behind. It is unfair to All teams in the Big 6 conferences if they get an invite to the CG based on their schedule. Indiana could go 10 - 2 or 11 - 1 with Boise's schedule.

I'm not saying that Boise isn't a good team but they would not have EARNED the right to play for a championship. Florida State was in the same shoes as Boise in the late 70'2 and early 80's. They came to OSU twice, with no return trip, and kicked our a$$ twice. Boise needs to man up and play at least 4 Big 6 teams each year. No Ifs,And, or Buts. Get off your complaining rears and do something about your scheduling.

Nebraska called their bluff and Boise has no answer. They actually like how things are currently. They get tons of unwarranted publicity for beating one or two average to above average programs each year.

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

If Boise and their fans want to be taken seriously, they need to go independent and leave the WAC and Mtn West cream-puffs behind. It is unfair to All teams in the Big 6 conferences if they get an invite to the CG based on their schedule. Indiana could go 10 - 2 or 11 - 1 with Boise's schedule.

I'm not saying that Boise isn't a good team but they would not have EARNED the right to play for a championship. Florida State was in the same shoes as Boise in the late 70'2 and early 80's. They came to OSU twice, with no return trip, and kicked our a$$ twice. Boise needs to man up and play at least 4 Big 6 teams each year. No Ifs,And, or Buts. Get off your complaining rears and do something about your scheduling.

Nebraska called their bluff and Boise has no answer. They actually like how things are currently. They get tons of unwarranted publicity for beating one or two average to above average programs each year.

Quite right.

I'd also like to see them get rid of the smurf turf. In my opinion that "gimmick" served its purpose. It brought attention to the program.. it was something unusual.. it was "cute"

Now.. line up and fucking ball on a green field. You want to be legitimate? Fucking LOOK legitimate then.

 

[Muck]

What's your top 15 then, eh?

Since I promised I'd throw them up...

Alabama, Florida, FSU, Georgia, Miami (FL), TSUN, Nebraska, Notre Dame, Ohio State, Oklahoma, Penn St, Tennessee, Texas, USC

Those are the 14 teams that are most likely to be consistently in the Top 15.

At least one of the four Big Ten schools is likely to drop a bit due to increased competition by bringing Nebraska on board. Similarly there's a chance that another Big 12 school will fill the void caused by their absence. The Pac 10 also potentially will see another school move up due to the split in the conference and a potential drop off from USC in the near term.

Still since we're talking about betting I'd still put my money on that group as being the most likely to be ranked going into 2020.

For my wildcard #15 team? I'd put money on BYU. They're trying to follow the ND model and have some of the same advantages. Their move to independence is also most likely to bring more money into the program.

HOWEVER - if this article is true. [censored] Boise. Apparently Nebraska wanted to set up a Home/Home with BSU. And Boise wanted ONE MILLION DOLLARS for the trip to Lincoln. Unbelievable! I know we have Husker lurkers on BP - can anyone confirm/deny?

I've seen it discussed on by both Nebraska & Boise St. fans.

The official BSU apologist line is that the Broncos deserve to be paid current 'fair market value'. They don't seem to have much of an answer when I've pointed out that the current market value for visiting teams is more in the $500K-$800K* range.


*Ohio State officials have commented that they normally pay out between $700-$800K but made an exception for Navy due to national interest generated by playing them and other schools have stated that they normally pay/receive $500-$600 for paydays.

 

[TheIronColonel]

Fair market value? It's a home and fucking home you dimwits. Do you think Oregon asked Tennessee for money when they scheduled that game? That's how the big boys do it. If you want to be treated like an adult football team, then act like one.

 

[Dryden]

HOWEVER - if this article is true. [censored] Boise. Apparently Nebraska wanted to set up a Home/Home with BSU. And Boise wanted ONE MILLION DOLLARS for the trip to Lincoln. Unbelievable! I know we have Husker lurkers on BP - can anyone confirm/deny?

UNL is paying Idaho $800K for a visit. Given that information, I can see Boise's position in asking for a bump over what the Vandals are taking home.

It's a biggest-dick contest.

 

[Muck]

UNL is paying Idaho $800K for a visit. Given that information, I can see Boise's position in asking for a bump over what the Vandals are taking home.

It's a biggest-dick contest.

Oops I misread BigWoof's post....

BSU wants $1 Mil for one and done games. Nebraska offered a 2 for 1 series which was declined and the two schools couldn't come to terms on a home & home (BSU wanted the first game at their house). To the best of my knowledge the payout would only have been for the one game series.

FWIW Nebraska paid SDSU $475K, Florida Atlantic $650K & Louisiana-Lafayette $700K. BSU also received $900K to play Ole Miss.

The bottom line is that BSU wants to have their cake and eat it too..."we're willing to play anyone but nobody will take us up on the offer" while at the same time trying to play hard ball in negotiations with team who express an interest in playing them.

 

[MightbeaBuck]

It's a biggest-dick contest.

Why does everything have to be about Michigan?

 

[DubCoffman62]

Oops I misread BigWoof's post....

BSU wants $1 Mil for one and done games. Nebraska offered a 2 for 1 series which was declined and the two schools couldn't come to terms on a home & home (BSU wanted the first game at their house). To the best of my knowledge the payout would only have been for the one game series.

FWIW Nebraska paid SDSU $475K, Florida Atlantic $650K & Louisiana-Lafayette $700K. BSU also received $900K to play Ole Miss.

The bottom line is that BSU wants to have their cake and eat it too..."we're willing to play anyone but nobody will take us up on the offer" while at the same time trying to play hard ball in negotiations with team who express an interest in playing them.

That's because they can. They're a brand name and they'll fill any visiting stadium where they play. It's like complaining about The Rolling Stones wanting more money than REO Speedwagon to play at your wedding.