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Buying a FSBO house without an agent

CleveBucks

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I've been looking at houses, and one I came across is FSBO. I'm thinking I can knock the customary 3% buyer's agent commission off the top of the list price since the seller won't have to pay it, and negotiate the price down from there. I would have the contract reviewed by a real estate attorney, make it contingent on home inspection, etc. Anything else I should look out for? Anybody have any good or bad experiences going this route?

I know everything on the market in the neighborhoods I'm interested in, don't need someone to line up my financing, and don't really need an agent to give me negotiating tips. Is there any reason I should get an agent and effectively raise my price by 3%? That seems like a steep price to pay for someone to do the paperwork, especially when that person isn't a lwayer.
 
As long as you have an attorney view the agreement you should be fine. Make sure you are explicit on what types of appliances are staying with the property and have a proper title search completed. You already mentioned an inspection but also look at items such as days they have to get out of the home and if they don't make the deadline the rate of rent that they will have to pay you. Also make your offer contingent on you finding financing and an appraisal that justifies the amount of $ you are spending for the property. And try to put down as little earnest money as possible unless the sellers balk at that....

That is all off the top of my head as I am late for bed. Good Luck!!!
 
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When you list your house with an agent, they have a form you have to fill out sign called a Residential Property Disclosure Form.

This is used as a safety net for the buyer, showing that the seller has no previous knowledge of any of the issues listed on the form. If the new owner then has issues, and they can prove that the previous owner intentionally deceived them by selling the house without disclosing the problem, the contract can be voided and buyer returned all monies and could potentially sue for fraud.

Make sure you get one.
 
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CleveBucks;896486; said:
I've been looking at houses, and one I came across is FSBO. I'm thinking I can knock the customary 3% buyer's agent commission off the top of the list price since the seller won't have to pay it, and negotiate the price down from there. I would have the contract reviewed by a real estate attorney, make it contingent on home inspection, etc. Anything else I should look out for? Anybody have any good or bad experiences going this route?

I know everything on the market in the neighborhoods I'm interested in, don't need someone to line up my financing, and don't really need an agent to give me negotiating tips. Is there any reason I should get an agent and effectively raise my price by 3%? That seems like a steep price to pay for someone to do the paperwork, especially when that person isn't a lwayer.

Well... if you get the price lined up and all the kinks worked out...

The tough stuff... (marketing/seraching/showing/negotiating)... so.. if you have an agent that is kind of a friend of a friend or whatever... you could probalby have the peace of mind of them walking through the process for say $1000.... (which I'm assuming is a pile less than 3%)-- I only mention this because, this is exactly what I did... but the agent suggested it to me... (someone I knew)... so... I think if you could find one... they'd be more than happy to do that. Keep in mind that they know you have to sell your house someday, too... and... well... you'll probably need representation then.
 
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Well... if you get the price lined up and all the kinks worked out...

The tough stuff... (marketing/seraching/showing/negotiating)... so.. if you have an agent that is kind of a friend of a friend or whatever... you could probalby have the peace of mind of them walking through the process for say $1000.... (which I'm assuming is a pile less than 3%)-- I only mention this because, this is exactly what I did... but the agent suggested it to me... (someone I knew)... so... I think if you could find one... they'd be more than happy to do that. Keep in mind that they know you have to sell your house someday, too... and... well... you'll probably need representation then.
Not a bad idea at all. I may be looking for a BP realtor soon enough then. Will any of you work for vCash?
 
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CleveBucks;897299; said:
Not a bad idea at all. I may be looking for a BP realtor soon enough then. Will any of you work for vCash?

Well.... looked at my post, and glad you figured it out despite my inability to use a complete sentence...

Anyway... the realtor I used was a Remax agent... so.. almost wonder if she did it sort of "under the table" since the never listed the property... but... my guess is that you'd almost be better off looking for someone for a small independent realtor... if not the owner of one. I'll confess the relationship/fee structure between agents and realty firms is one I don't know much about... so I'm just guessing.
 
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If you have a clue what you are doing then by all means, just buy it FSBO.... no sense in handing over money to someone for something you can do yourself. The inspection is crucial though, fork out the money for that.
 
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If you buy a home, old or new, you absolutely must get a professional inspection! This will greatly reduce your chances of getting stuck with a dog. Even if it's a fixer-upper a home inspection will be of great help in determining repair/improvement costs.
Don't be foolish with the biggest purchase of your life!
Get it inspected.
 
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CleveBucks;896486; said:
I've been looking at houses, and one I came across is FSBO. I'm thinking I can knock the customary 3% buyer's agent commission off the top of the list price since the seller won't have to pay it, and negotiate the price down from there. I would have the contract reviewed by a real estate attorney, make it contingent on home inspection, etc. Anything else I should look out for? Anybody have any good or bad experiences going this route?

I know everything on the market in the neighborhoods I'm interested in, don't need someone to line up my financing, and don't really need an agent to give me negotiating tips. Is there any reason I should get an agent and effectively raise my price by 3%? That seems like a steep price to pay for someone to do the paperwork, especially when that person isn't a lwayer.
If you don't have a real estate attorney in mind I'd be happy to send you two of the best in the buisness.. with FSBOs, going without an agent isn't a bad thing at all, so long as you know what you're doing. One thing that others havn't mentioned, most people over-pay for there house, and remember it's an insane buyers market. As a buyers agent, my main job is to get people who know what they are doing around my client (wheter it be inspectors, vendors, loan officers), to get them the best possible buy, and to make sure everything is right and there back is being watched. I cant stress do not overpay enough. Is it worth 3%? Well keep in mind when everyone is done dipping there hands in it's 1-1.5% and that most people i deal with are listed with a sellers agent.. and the buyer dosen't pay me then. If the buyers were unrepresented, the listing agent then makes 6% instead of co-opping with me. So for FSBOs, since they dont have the 6% or 3% built in, theortically you should be able to get a better deal.

scooter1369;896548; said:
When you list your house with an agent, they have a form you have to fill out sign called a Residential Property Disclosure Form.

This is used as a safety net for the buyer, showing that the seller has no previous knowledge of any of the issues listed on the form. If the new owner then has issues, and they can prove that the previous owner intentionally deceived them by selling the house without disclosing the problem, the contract can be voided and buyer returned all monies and could potentially sue for fraud.

Make sure you get one.
Since they weren't listed with an agent I'm not sure if they need to have one or not, they may.. I forgot the laws specifics. But I disagree with that being a saftey net.. first rule is they only have to disclose known defects, and I'll be the first to tell you they don't. What I tell buyers when we review that form is: hey, you hope they are honest but anything they are trying to hide we will find in the home inspection. I make sure I am there and my clients are there for the inspection, that way we can both be asking questions as they go.

You are correct in that if you can prove the last owner had actual knowledge of the problem, you can have your money returned.. but proving that may be a little tricky. The disclosure is a good idea, but the inspection is the saftey net, at least IMO.

AKAKBUCK;897481; said:
Anyway... the realtor I used was a Remax agent... so.. almost wonder if she did it sort of "under the table" since the never listed the property... but... my guess is that you'd almost be better off looking for someone for a small independent realtor... if not the owner of one. I'll confess the relationship/fee structure between agents and realty firms is one I don't know much about... so I'm just guessing.
Not to knock the competition but I cant say Im surprised. In terms of looking for a smaller independent realtor or even the broker of one of those.. ohh becareful. Now I'm a "REMAX" agent, but each office is independently owned and operated and ours would be one of the smaller offices around and is a family buisness. Grandpa does the phones, the old man does listings, uncle does listings and buyers, and i'm doing buyers. Dad and uncle are both in the top 1/2 of 1% of agents nationwide and as such, using one of us is much better because of the realtionships we have built, the experience we provide, and the expertise. As opposed to a small company.. they help keep me in line, but the point is just because we're REMAX we aren't a huge corporate office..

but most agents come off to me as shady.. again not knocking the competition and good number of my clients are people that had agents who didnt do their job.
 
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Not to knock the competition but I cant say Im surprised. In terms of looking for a smaller independent realtor or even the broker of one of those.. ohh becareful. Now I'm a "REMAX" agent, but each office is independently owned and operated and ours would be one of the smaller offices around and is a family buisness. Grandpa does the phones, the old man does listings, uncle does listings and buyers, and i'm doing buyers. Dad and uncle are both in the top 1/2 of 1% of agents nationwide and as such, using one of us is much better because of the realtionships we have built, the experience we provide, and the expertise. As opposed to a small company.. they help keep me in line, but the point is just because we're REMAX we aren't a huge corporate office..

Yeah... I get the independently owned and operated thing... but... there are always rules... and I don't know what those are as far as what you're required to kick back to REMAX or whoever the "mothership" is and what constitutes "representation" in a situation like this... so... that's all I meant.
 
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AKAKBUCK;897712; said:
Yeah... I get the independently owned and operated thing... but... there are always rules... and I don't know what those are as far as what you're required to kick back to REMAX or whoever the "mothership" is and what constitutes "representation" in a situation like this... so... that's all I meant.
My split goes like this.. i get 3%.. remax takes 10%.. the old man takes 60% of whats left..

Now in terms of what i think your getting at, with the under the table comment.. at closing you get a HUD statement which outlines every cent in the transaction, who it came from, and where it's going. Thats where an agent can be helpful.. i've stopped many closings because something wasn't right and sure it cost me some money that day but saved my client from another agent trying to rip them off, or from a predatory lender, etc. and its not like they aren;t going to buy another house or re-work the HUD to make it right..

as a buyers agent, i really love it, i dont give a shit what house they buy so long as they get a good deal and its the one they want. if they don't buy house a, they will buy house b, or c, etc.

thats where using an agent can be good, so long as they know what they are doing. unfortuantley from my perspective, and my negotations.. most, it seems, people dont do what they should be doing and protecting their clients and providing a service thats worth 3%.
 
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I hear what you're saying. I've found one local real estate attorney that seems pretty reasonable with his fees:

Legal fees for James A. Zitesman, Attorney at Law

If I can pay him $750, it's a lot cheaper than paying a realtor 3%. Is the realtor worth an extra few thousand bucks? That's certainly open for debate. Even with a realtor a lot of people say to get an attorney to review everything, so maybe I'd be forking over for an attorney regardless of whether I had an agent too.

If anybody wants to recommend a Columbus-area real estate attorney, I'd definitely appreciate it.

I've also read that some buyers have better success when they use the listing agent to also represent them. Their reasoning is that, because the listing agent is making commission on both ends of the deal, they're more likely to advise the seller to accept a lower offer. This one is certainly open to debate.
 
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