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Columbus Dispatch Article on buckeye troubles?

Jaxbuck said:
My SWAG as to the booster in question: Either George Steinbrenner or, as previously noted in another thread, a memeber of the Schottenstein(sp?) family.
My guess is that it is one of the small time guys...a car dealer or something like that...the Steinbrenners and Schottensteins of the world I would think wouldn't risk their reputation on something like this.

Does anyone even know what the benefit Smith got was?
 
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ntd said:
My guess is that it is one of the small time guys...a car dealer or something like that...the Steinbrenners and Schottensteins of the world I would think wouldn't risk their reputation on something like this.

Does anyone even know what the benefit Smith got was?
I heard that he was sporting an $800 pair of sunglasses. I don't know if this was the violation, but I believe the person who told me he had them.
 
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Am I reading too much into this...


The fact that Smith will probably only serve a one or two game suspension (pending NCAA review) leads me to think that this is somewhat minor in terms of monitary value (less than $1,000). If this was a systemic violation, (i.e., Smith receiving a stream of cash for an extended period of time) versus an isolated incident, Smith would be gone from the team, I would think.
 
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gregobucks said:
"last i checked financial donations ARE NOT illegal. technically the booster has committed no offense"martinss01

Whether OSU discloses the boosters name has nothing to do with the act being legal or not. I don't care. It is immoral and should be dealt with from both ends. The giver, in my opinion, is just as guilty as the receiver regardless of what you or the "rules" say.
immorality is NOT a crime, far be it for society to rely on "rules" as the basis for law. besides, how would you punish such a person? whose morals get to decide what a moral crime is and isn't? who gets to decide what the punishment is for said immoral crimes? who would do the inforcing? the middle east is a perfect example of morals being the basis for law.

Geiger should release this idiots name. His/her name will not be released and he/she will continue to receive tickets and perks through his/her best friends who conveniently and coincidentally also have hundreds of thousands of dollars to spend getting their seats on the 50 yard line at the Shoe and court-side at the Schott. Geiger is protecting his investment by not releasing the name. This whole thing is a joke.
do you have any idea what it would take to bust these people? how many of your freedoms would you be willing to give up to make this stop? all of this because we are unwilling to ask an anthlete to make adult decisions? poor poor troy smith, that booster put a gun to his head and forced him to take the money. and if that weren't bad enough, beat him with a stick until he broke down and spent the money on "mad tight bling" in a public place. terrible, just terrible.

the rules are what they are. i personally don't agree with them. but until they are changed the situation is pretty simple.
 
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The NCAA did not reinstate UCLA's DeShaun Foster in 2001 after bringing to UCLA's attention that Foster received use of an auto from a booster. When applying for reinstatement, UCLA administration stated that the ordinary penalty in cases similar to Foster's violation was 10% of the season, or one game. Foster ended up his career missing 3 games. Without knowing what extra benefit Smith actually received, it is hard to determine what the duration of his suspension will be.

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Foster drove an SUV owned by an actor for several weeks.

NCAA Denies UCLA's Appeal for Reinstatement

As soon as complete information is gathered, UCLA will submit a report that includes the facts of the case and a request that Foster's eligibility be restored. There is no timetable for reinstatement, but the standard penalty in "extra benefits" cases of this type is 10 percent of the season (one game).

UCLA Expected Only a 1 Game Suspension
 
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Call me Saddam Hussein if you wish but.....

martinss01 said:
immorality is NOT a crime, far be it for society to rely on "rules" as the basis for law. besides, how would you punish such a person? whose morals get to decide what a moral crime is and isn't? who gets to decide what the punishment is for said immoral crimes? who would do the enforcing? the middle east is a perfect example of morals being the basis for law.

do you have any idea what it would take to bust these people? how many of your freedoms would you be willing to give up to make this stop? all of this because we are unwilling to ask an athlete to make adult decisions? poor poor troy smith, that booster put a gun to his head and forced him to take the money. and if that weren't bad enough, beat him with a stick until he broke down and spent the money on "mad tight bling" in a public place. terrible, just terrible.

the rules are what they are. i personally don't agree with them. but until they are changed the situation is pretty simple.
I believe you and I are saying virtually the same thing, you just have your hands tied on the matter. I seem to be asking for a real solution, not what Geiger has in store. In addition, I NEVER once said Troy Smith was innocent in this matter so stop portraying any inkling that I have. THAT is not my argument.

I find it peculiar that you seem so willing to accept Troy's guilt, which I do as well (making that very clear to you) in the matter while accepting the free pass given to the booster.

It is this free pass given to the booster that bothers me. All I am suggesting is that some sort of real accountable punishment be instituted. By protecting the ID of the booster, Robert Baker in this case, Geiger can't be held accountable for instituting the punishment he claims.

"The Dispatch identified the booster as Robert Baker, 46, of Springfield, who watches football games from a 35-yard-line luxury suite in Ohio Stadium."-The Columbus Dispatch reported Tuesday.

Sorry for being so Saddam Husseinish according to your claim above, but I just can't see past the reality that the said booster was wrong in offering Troy the money. The group of boosters getting these perks from OSU, must be dealt with proactively not reactively. They shouldn't have such free reign in practices, or team flight privileges.

Geoffrey Webster, 56, an attorney for Poly-Care Services, a provider of health care products with headquarters in Columbus, confirmed for the newspaper on Monday that Baker gave Smith an unspecified amount of cash. "It certainly had a smell to it," said Webster "This whole thing has left a bad taste in my mouth," Webster said. "The university has to do something to get rid of this small group of boosters." -Columbus Dispatch

This Geoffery Webster supports my claim as well. It’s a power trip for many of them.

"As part of his responsibilities for Poly-Care, Webster handles employee code-of-conduct investigations. He was given incident reports from two employees who questioned Baker's relationship with Ohio State football players, the newspaper reported." - Columbus Dispatch

"Ohio State athletic director Andy Geiger declined to comment on the report, saying, "It's an ongoing investigation." Geiger has refused to identify the booster, saying he was following the university's longtime practice of protecting a booster's identity."- Columbus Dispatch

Yet OSU's Andrew Geiger continues to "protect" the identity of said culprits as to prevent a litigious backlash he claims. RIGHT!!! It's to protect his money cow.

"Webster, who is an Ohio State alumnus, said he hopes the university takes away Baker's suite and football tickets."-Columbus Dispatch

All I was asking for was his identity so the public can hold Geiger accountable for instituting the claimed punishment. I trust Geiger as much as Webster does.
 
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gregobucks said:
"last i checked financial donations ARE NOT illegal. technically the booster has committed no offense"martinss01

What about Ed Martin and Michigan? I don't know any of the details but it seems there was litigation in that case before he died.

Whether OSU discloses the boosters name has nothing to do with the act being legal or not. I don't care. It is immoral and should be dealt with from both ends. The giver, in my opinion, is just as guilty as the receiver regardless of what you or the "rules" say.

If I walk up to a college athlete and offer him/her money, I know darn well that I am doing something wrong because I have enough intelligence to understand the moral ramifications of this act which will have no impact on me personally. However, if the young man/woman accepts the money it has instantly become a broken rule. Hmmm. Seems like a bit of a farce. Why aren't these boosters held accountable? They should be if they aren't. Losing a subscription to a stupid newsletter should not be the only punishment.

Geiger should release this idiots name. His/her name will not be released and he/she will continue to receive tickets and perks through his/her best friends who conveniently and coincidentally also have hundreds of thousands of dollars to spend getting their seats on the 50 yard line at the Shoe and court-side at the Schott. Geiger is protecting his investment by not releasing the name. This whole thing is a joke.
The Martin thing had to do with an FBI probe that led to charges and later a conviction related to gambling.


Im wondering how many of you people bother to actually READ? If a booster does something that is a violation of NCAA rules they recieve a LIFE TIME BAN from the program. No tickets no NOTHING.

Legally, you if you were a booster could SUE the university for slander and liable for tarnishing there reputation. There is nothing illegal with giving another person money. NOTHING. Yes, it violates NCAA bylaws but the justicie system doesnt not recognize the NCAA as a legally binding entity. In other words, if you caused a boosters reputation to suffer largely based on a at best circumstancial evidence you would likely lose a law suit that is why the university is unwilling to give out the persons name.


Man some of you need to exercise some COMMON SENSE here!
 
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Chill out Rob

Why should I have to read when I have somebody as nice and understanding as you condescend to me BuckeyeRob? Thanks. Have a nice day yourself. You obviously need it.

By the way, his identity is now known so I am content with that. I hope The Dispatch or Geoffery Webster doesn't get sued for libel. I guess they're willing to risk that.
 
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