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DE Nick Bosa (Pro Bowl, All Pro, 2019 ROY, 2022 DPOY, San Francisco 49ers)

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RB07OSU said:
No joke. I went back and watched the first game, and they were literally meeting at the QB at almost the exact same time. And if someone comes in to spell one of them, it's freaking Jonathan Cooper. No break for opposing tackles on either side.
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You're also forgetting about Cornell going in. And then when that Rutgers OL is exhausted you send in the young pup of Friday and Smith to finish them off
 
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OregonBuckeye said:
Going back to his heisman odds, the award has become stale. I anticipate there being more buzz for non-QB/RB candidates in the future to generate more excitement. I sense an overall fatigue of seeing QB's win it. I think 15+ sacks and 5 FF's sends Nick to NYC, especially if he puts up numbers in the big games.
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Those numbers would barely get him in the top 10 of voting(and if he does, its mainly based off of name recognition). In no way will a non QB/RB get close to the Heisman, like I said in the Haskins thread, it took for a once in a generational WR talent in Randy Moss to even get invited. If Bosa were to get close to invited he'd need over 20-25 sacks and easily in the teens in FF, and also close to double digit TDs. It aint happening for a DL, no time soon if ever. Especially not with the way that offenses are more high powered than ever. Bosa could put up 16 sacks 5FF 80Tkls 18TFL, and a QB from Auburn/Oklahoma/Stanford/ etc could have 4000+yds 50TDs, and ol Nick would be an afterthought. There have been multiple RBs with 2000+ yards who haven't even won the Heisman, and that's a phenomenal feat.

We should just enjoy the chaos that Nick will bring for another year, and then wish him well in the league. He'll be destroying offenses in S&G for the next 2yrs, and we can bask in that glow. But Heisman talk is not even a matter that is realistic for him
 
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For Bosa to get invited to NYC:

-at least one INT for TD
-at least one more fumble recovery for TD, ideally one he runs back 20+ yards
-at least one TD scored on offense either as a TE or FB

-16+ sacks
- 20+ TFL
- 6+ forced fumbles
-massive stats in all the games considered big games(TCU, MSU, WIS, scUM, B1G CG)

Even with that profile, it would be an uphill climb to get the invite but the “Bosa” name brand recognition created by Joey’s impact and personality do work in his favor.
 
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armsbendback said:
For Bosa to get invited to NYC:

-at least one INT for TD
-at least one more fumble recovery for TD, ideally one he runs back 20+ yards
-at least one TD scored on offense either as a TE or FB

-16+ sacks
- 20+ TFL
- 6+ forced fumbles
-massive stats in all the games considered big games(TCU, MSU, WIS, scUM, B1G CG)

Even with that profile, it would be an uphill climb to get the invite but the “Bosa” name brand recognition created by Joey’s impact and personality do work in his favor.
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I'll just provide this article. Even with the stats you provided, Bosa would barely be in the top 10

https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio...sa-must-put-up-to-win-the-2018-heisman-trophy

Terrell Suggs had one of the most impressive seasons of a defensive lineman to date during his junior season in 2002. Suggs finished the season with 24 sacks – which remains an FBS record – and also had 31.5 tackles for loss and forced six fumbles. He won the Outland Trophy, Hendricks Award, Lombardi Award and Nagurski Award but didn't even finish in the top 10 of the Heisman voting.
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Suggs wasn't even in the top 10.

Suh recorded 24 tackles for loss, 12 sacks, 26 quarterback hurries, 10 pass breakups, one pick, and three blocked kicks in 2009. He was so dominant that NU head coach Bo Pelini was almost able to play a permanent dime formation; Suh was a one-man offensive line destroyer, and Pelini almost never had to blitz. Just drop about seven guys into coverage, then pounce on wayward passes when the quarterback still gets hit in about 1.5 seconds.
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Suh finished 4th(and I believe there was a clear gap from 3rd place)

Hugh Green finished 2nd at a time when CFB was very pedestrian and mainly a running game, so his stats don't look very eye popping(he'd be tied for 3rd all time with 3 other players from bigger schools).
This is a fun discussion when killing time with 1hr and 30min until kickoff
 
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That was 16 years ago too...when underclass men weren’t even considered for the Heisman. Now Redshirt freshman are winning the damn thing. If you’re the best player on the best team your odds increase exponentially. I say, let’s get the hype train rolling starting this afternoon and just see what happens.
 
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Just as it’s been historically for the few other defensive players considered, the touchdowns, especially offensive would be the key to the invite(provided the defensive stats are dominant as expected)

So to me, TDs scored in 3-4 different ways(fumble recovery, INT, rush(from TD goal line), receiving(as TE), would needed. Kind of doubt he’ll get those offensive opportunities though
 
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OregonBuckeye said:
Please re-read my post. I am well aware of the history of the award. I don't need a history lesson. I am predicting that will change and I stated why I think that. We will see
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Forget the history part, Bosa's biggest problem is going to be the same as any other great player on a great team. He won't be featured enough.

They are rolling guys in and out like mad and Chase Young is going to get his fair share along with Dremont Jones.

He's not only bucking the defensive player thing, he's on a team full of guys who get a lot of spotlight themselves.
 
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