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Decanonized Mythologized Disgraced Ped State Monster Coach Joe Paterno (Zombie Icon)

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Joe Paterno did a lot of good for a lot of people. I don't think it can be argued that there are a lot of people who are are much better off because he was in their life.

He also stood by and did nothing in arguably the biggest moment of his life. All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. And while he wasn't in the shower with those boys, he did as close to nothing as he could get away with.

I'm not going to try and weigh the decision he made against decades of good he did. The last chapter of his life was a tragedy, for him, for his legacy and most importantly for those he didn't act to protect.
 
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Apache;2095500; said:
Joe Paterno was a great man in so many ways. We can never forget his dedication to excellence, his charity work and the number of men he impacted. He was a champion in so many ways.
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Was he really a "great man?" That phrase, like hero, is something that gets thrown around far too much. We're not talking about Churchill or Jefferson. We're talking about a football coach. Did he positively impact his players? Sure, but so do thousands and thousands of teachers, coaches and counselors in high schools around the country every day. By all accounts, he donated $4M to Penn State. That's a large amount but nothing earth shattering given his income levels.

Now contrast that to what we've discovered over the last few months about how he ran that football program and entire university: the secrecy, the cult of personality that he willingly encouraged, the double standard that he insisted upon for his football players, the forcing out of university administrators who questioned his program and in one of the starkest moral questions any of us could encounter--the serial molestation of little boys within his program--the abject failure and placement of his own narrow self-interest ahead of the safety of his children.

In the context of the above, I refuse to see how he could ever be considered a great man because he won some football games and made sure some third string tight ends graduated. I'll just say that I doubt anyone who was raped by Sandusky after 2002 is willing to call Joe Paterno a great man.

I've said it earlier in this thread, this doesn't stain his legacy. It is his legacy.
 
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ORD_Buckeye;2095545; said:
Was he really a "great man?" That phrase, like hero, is something that gets thrown around far too much. We're not talking about Churchill or Jefferson. We're talking about a football coach. Did he positively impact his players? Sure, but so do thousands and thousands of teachers, coaches and counselors in high schools around the country every day. By all accounts, he donated $4M to Penn State. That's a large amount but nothing earth shattering given his income levels.

Now contrast that to what we've discovered over the last few months about how he ran that football program and entire university: the secrecy, the cult of personality that he willingly encouraged, the double standard that he insisted upon for his football players, the forcing out of university administrators who questioned his program and in one of the starkest moral questions any of us could encounter--the serial molestation of little boys within his program--the abject failure and placement of his own narrow self-interest ahead of the safety of his children.

In the context of the above, I refuse to see how he could ever be considered a great man because he won some football games and made sure some third string tight ends graduated. I'll just say that I doubt anyone who was raped by Sandusky after 2002 is willing to call Joe Paterno a great man.

I've said it earlier in this thread, this doesn't stain his legacy. It is his legacy.
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No. This is part of his legacy. An awful part. But his legacy is also all those young men that came through Penn State for 40 years and their families. His legacy is all of it. The good and the awful.
 
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Buckeye Maniac;2095515; said:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/01/22/1057341/-F**k-Joe-Paterno"F**k Joe Paterno"

Read the whole thing. It's not all vitriol.
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Was struck by her idea for an alternate memorial Thursday.

I'll be sending something in.

I'm one of the lucky ones. I am unlike the millions of kids who never escape from the cycle of psychological torture and self inflicted violence- the kids and adult survivors who kill themselves, either directly or indirectly. The ones who never make it out ok.

And when they die, they don't get photo layouts, or tributes. They are faceless. They are nameless. They are forgotten.

Well, on Thursday, I want to change that.

Many people have commented and sent me messages about their own experiences with sexual trauma- including tragic stories of loved ones who have died, in no small part, as a result of that trauma. I would like to use Thursday, 2:00 PM, to honor them.

If you know someone who falls into this category, and you would like to honor their memory, and THEIR legacy, instead of Joe-Pa's, please send me their information to [email protected]. Please use "Tribute" as the subject line, so I know what it is. You can share as much or as little as possible-you don't need to reveal their name or their picture, but just something about their life, that they could be remembered by.
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Also posted the link to this article on my facebook page.

Expect to see my "friend" count drop. So be it. As some of my old hippie chums used to say, "[censored] 'em if they can't take a joke."
 
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matcar;2095584; said:
No. This is part of his legacy. An awful part. But his legacy is also all those young men that came through Penn State for 40 years and their families. His legacy is all of it. The good and the awful.
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Pretty, aren't they? Lots of people have enjoyed looking at them. There may even be some youthful artists who were very positively influenced by seeing them. It's important we keep such pleasant creations in mind when evaluating the worldly contributions of the artist.

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It's all about balance...taking the good with the bad.
 
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I like it. Fuck Joe Paterno should be repeated loudly and often: to the ped aggy cult, to the coaching fraternity that is incapable of saying anything but boilerplate niceties about one of their own, to those media members that have to find "balance" and two sides to everything under the sun and to those who say nothing bad should be said of the dead.

Fuck Joe Paterno.
 
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localyokel;2095626; said:
Pretty, aren't they? Lots of people have enjoyed looking at them. There may even be some youthful artists who were very positively influenced by seeing them. It's important we keep such pleasant creations in mind when evaluating the worldly contributions of the artist.

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It's all about balance...taking the good with the bad.
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It's not about balance, I never said that...only you. Please put words in your mouth only. I said that his legacy is EVERYTHING. Not cherry picking the good or the bad.
 
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