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Duke Blue Devils (that rat faced scumbag)

22, I'm thinking you may want to find some Tyler Hansbrough youtubes to answer the challenge.

I haven't looked for them, but I've gotta believe they exist.

I would have said Jonny Flynn, but he's never traveled in his life. :wink2:
 
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Posting this without making any statements on either participant........other than John Scheyer is an ugly SOB.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGt2K3IBJwo]YouTube - Duke's Scheyer Mugged; Haters Only See Traveling[/ame]
 
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BuckeyeNation27;1420116; said:
Posting this without making any statements on either participant........other than John Scheyer is an ugly SOB.

YouTube - Duke's Scheyer Mugged; Haters Only See Traveling
Haha! I was wondering how long it would take for someone to post this! How many times are you allowed to pick up your pivot foot without it being traveling in basketball? If it's less than four then I agree, he didn't travel.:lol:
 
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buckeyesin07;1414887; said:
Your original point was that we should all be amazed at what Coach K gets out of the talent he has. That statement necessarily implies that he has sub-par talent, at least relative to the record his teams have year in and year out. I disagree with your premise, as I think Duke year in and year out recruits better than all but probably UNC; thus, if anything, they underachieve, record- and NCAA tournament result-wise, relative to their recruiting classes. You're now attempting to shift the focus of your argument away from an objective standard of recruiting such as McD's All-Americans to claiming that Duke doesn't recruit what you term as "athletes" an argument premised upon, at best, an amorphous concept which you don't attempt to define.

my point was Duke plays the most pressure defense year after year, with a less athletic team, very often. It is impressive to me, for as bad of a defender as Greg Paulus is, the way Coach k is still able to generate pressure. They overplay every passing lane, get the most 5 second calls, and force massive amounts of turnovers every single year, and they do it with teams that are considerably less athletic than the team across from them.

That is impressive to me.
 
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I was listening to 1660 in Charlotte, and Christian Laettner was interviewed. Apparently, earlier in the day he had admitted to Duke getting a lot of calls on the Dan Patrick show so they brought it up with him.

Laettner, and I'm paraphrasing, said Coach K is one of the best in the biz at working officials over. He also said, the style and tempo of play prevnts officials from being able to make every call. He said Duke is the more aggressive team 99% of the time, and they dictate the play, so officials let them play their game. When you've seen that style on TV, first-hand, are just in general used to seeing it, you become accustomed to letting things go that may be fouls in other games.

Anyways, I do think Duke gets away with a lot of holding, grabbing, bumping etc. That is part of my point about the pessure defense they play. They get in your shorts and don't let you breathe, but at the same time, I don't think many teams can that be that aggressive back b/c it gets called. Laettner also said they were taught how to foul, without it being called which goes back to the grabbing, bumping, etc. It isn't a foul if it isn't called....maybe Coach K has just mastered different techniques that give his team an advantage.

BTW, and I've brought it up in the past, but probably the worst call I've ever seen was against FSU several years ago, where Isiah Swann pulled up at the elbow for a jumpshot. The Duke player was a little off-balance as Swann stopped quickly and raised up for the jump-shot, and the Duke player recovered to step up and raise his arms. Swann literally came down where he jumped, it was a pull-up J, and landed on the Duke player (Paulus as a freshmen I think). They called it a charge. On a pull-up J. Because the Duke player slid underneath him as he raised up and landed on him.

It was a call only Duke gets. That to me circles back to what Laettner was talking about....refs watching games get so used to seeing Duke players take a charge, that they get a ridiculous amount of beneficial charging calls. Duke has mastered sliding underneath a player after he has left his feet, which isn't a charge, but they get the call 75% of the time.

College should put the circle under the hoop, and charging should be redefined. It was put in the game to regulate "out of control" players. It has now become a cheap, undercutting move on players who are under control trying to finish at the rim. That wasn't its' original purpose. It was for the guy lowering his shoulder, the player recklessely attacking the hoop, etc.

It's become dirty to me....

It was an interesting discussion....
 
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billmac91;1420163; said:
Laettner, and I'm paraphrasing, said Coach K is one of the best in the biz at working officials over.

Agree. I think this is reason #1 Duke gets so many calls--they could be getting 90% of the calls that could go either way, and Coach K would still be all over the refs for the 10% he didn't get. Sooner or later, I think the refs start believing what he's saying to them.

billmac91;1420163; said:
He also said, the style and tempo of play prevnts officials from being able to make every call. He said Duke is the more aggressive team 99% of the time, and they dictate the play, so officials let them play their game. When you've seen that style on TV, first-hand, are just in general used to seeing it, you become accustomed to letting things go that may be fouls in other games.

Not sure I agree with this. I see a lot of other teams come out of the gates extremely hyped up and aggressive, probably because they are playing Duke.

billmac91;1420163; said:
Duke has mastered sliding underneath a player after he has left his feet, which isn't a charge, but they get the call 75% of the time.

Couldn't agree more. Not only sliding underneath, but Duke has crafted the "flop" into a science. An offensive player looks to be that much more out of control if the defender goes flying backwards when there is the slightest bit of contact.

billmac91;1420163; said:
College should put the circle under the hoop, and charging should be redefined. It was put in the game to regulate "out of control" players. It has now become a cheap, undercutting move on players who are under control trying to finish at the rim. That wasn't its' original purpose. It was for the guy lowering his shoulder, the player recklessely attacking the hoop, etc.

It's become dirty to me....

Good observation.
 
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Buckeye Nut;1420126; said:
Haha! I was wondering how long it would take for someone to post this! How many times are you allowed to pick up your pivot foot without it being traveling in basketball? If it's less than four then I agree, he didn't travel.:lol:

It only got that far because the refs were way slow on that foul... You have to admit, they bodied and hacked from the minute they got there...
 
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OSUBucks22;1421331; said:
It only got that far because the refs were way slow on that foul... You have to admit, they bodied and hacked from the minute they got there...

They bodied and hacked because they were guarding a moving target. I thought Sheyer was auditioning for Dancing with the Stars. :p
 
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Jake;1421425; said:
They bodied and hacked because they were guarding a moving target. I thought Sheyer was auditioning for Dancing with the Stars. :p

I think he has competition from his teammates...

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LFDIkJKDXM"]YouTube - Duke travel. How many steps? I count 12![/ame]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7DjZehIGvs&NR=1"]YouTube - duke player moonwalks across the floor: traveling NOT called[/ame]
 
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