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Ethnic cleansing in Denver....

tibor75

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DENVER - A few weeks ago, two police cars and two animal control vehicles pulled up at the home of Stef'ny Steffan looking for her beloved 4-year-old pit bull, Xena. Seven officers hauled the animal off to the city shelter, putting her on death row. Xena became an outlaw after Denver won a court fight and reinstated one of the toughest pit-bull bans in the nation.

Since May, more than 380 dogs have been impounded and at least 260 destroyed — an average of more than three a day.

Dog owners are in a panic. Some are using an underground railroad of sorts, sending their pets to live elsewhere or hiding them from authorities. City officials would not estimate how many people might be violating the ordinance.

Some owners, like Steffan, have won a reprieve for their pets with help from a rescue group. The group got Xena released by signing an affidavit stating that the animal would never return to Denver. The group took the dog to Mariah's Promise in Divide, an animal sanctuary that has accepted more than three dozen pit bulls from Denver.

For Steffan and her partner, Gina Black, leaving Xena 60 miles from home was a lousy option but the only one they had.

"It's safer than animal control. Safer than keeping her underground — at least she'll be able to play now," Steffan said. "But she'll miss us. We're her pack."

Denver is one of three major metropolitan areas, along with Miami and Cincinnati, to ban pit bulls, according to Glen Bui, vice president of the American Canine Foundation.

Pit bull typically describes three kinds of dogs — the American Pit Bull Terrier, American Staffordshire Terrier and the Staffordshire Bull Terrier. But Denver's ban applies to any dog that looks like a pit bull. The animal's actual behavior does not matter.

City Councilman Charlie Brown said that in his judgment, "pit bulls are trained to attack. They're bred to do that."

Critics of the ban use words like "annihilation" and "genocide," and the city shelter has received e-mails likening animal control officers to Nazis.

"Breed bans are just a knee-jerk reaction to something that happened in the community," Bui said.

Denver banned pit bulls in 1989 after dogs mauled a minister and killed a boy in separate attacks. The Legislature passed a law in 2004 that prohibited breed-specific bans, but the city sued and a judge ruled in April the law was an unconstitutional violation of local control.

Critics of the ordinance say that a blanket ban on an entire breed is misguided that the law should instead target irresponsible owners and all dangerous dogs.

"If anyone says one dog is more likely to kill — unless there's a study out there that I haven't seen — that's not based on scientific data," said Julie Gilchrist, a doctor at the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention who researches dog bites.

The CDC, the American Veterinary Medical Association and the Humane Society of the United States examined 20 years of dog-bite data and concluded that pit bulls and Rottweilers caused the most deaths.

But the researchers also noted that fatal attacks represent a small proportion of dog-bite injuries and that the number of bites per breed simply seems to rise with their popularity.

At the city shelter, pit bulls are cordoned off from other dogs in what has become death row. Nearly 100 pit bulls have been released to live outside the county. A nonresident must guarantee the dog will never return to Denver.

Sonya Dias, who is moving out of Denver because of the ban, said she was a little intimidated by her pit bull when she first saw him. But "when I said, `Hey little doggie,' his whole body just started wagging." Gryffindor is staying at Mariah's Promise until Dias sells her home.

"He's been dangerous to a couple of pairs of shoes and some mini-blinds," Dias said. "But otherwise he's a jewel."
 
Critics of the ordinance say that a blanket ban on an entire breed is misguided that the law should instead target irresponsible owners and all dangerous dogs.

I agree. Wait until a dog kills a kid, then put it to sleep. Catch these bad apples before they breed and you will eventually have a kindler, gentler pit bull.
 
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The problem with focusing only on the irresponsible owners and breeders is that you don't know who they are until one of their dogs has maimed or killed someone - then it's too late.

I love dogs, and there are only a few exceptions of breeds (chows, cocker spaniels, rottweillers, huskies, and pit bulls) that I teach my kids to steer clear of unless they know the dog (and the dog knows them). But don't anybody kid yourself that the temperement of a dog is mostly determined by their environment. It is mostly determined by their breed. Unfortunately, pit bulls have the potential to do the most damage, so if you have 1000 chihuahua attacks, and 1000 pit bull attacks, both breeds can be said to have equal propensity to attack humans, but guess which one will be banned?
Certain breeds of dogs are easier to "trigger" an attack than others, which have had that trait bred out of them (e.g. labs). Certain breeds of dogs have been bred to fight for hundreds of years (e.g. pit bulls) which does not necessarily go away just because their "family" loves them very much.
I am in no way saying that these breeds of dogs are "bad". but it's true that some breeds have a greater propensity to attack humans than others. they almost always get along great with their owners and are great family dogs, but something can also trigger them to attack either their own family, or a stranger, and then look out.
I don't think banning a breed is the solution, though, but if there are enough Pit Bull lovers out there who don't want this to happen in their town, they had better be proactive and come up with alternative solutions soon because this may be the start of a trend.
 
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this is bs. there is no such thing as a "bad" breed of animal.

I have seen the stats that try to make the case that there are no 'bad breeds' and I am simply not buying. The personailities of various dog breeds are well known and sometimes dramatic. Dogs have been purposely bred to have different characteristics and a common difference is aggressiveness.

Pit bulls were bred to fight. It is true that they were bred to fight other dogs, not people, but the aggressiveness that makes one a good fighter may not always make this distinction.

The threat that pit bulls pose may be over stated, and there may be other breeds that are even more dangerous. And there are characteristics of a dogs temerament that relate to factors other than breeding that are more important.

But to imply that there is no 'goodness' or 'badness' in a dogs breeding as it relates to the likelihood of that dog instigating an attack is to deny the nature of breeding itself.
 
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Any dog has the potential to turn aggressive and/or violent...that is a result of it's habitat and treatment. Some particular breeds of dogs need significantly less, and in many documented cases, NO "mistreatment" to turn violent. I have seen firsthand that Pitbulls cannot be trusted, regardless of their personal "attitude" and personality. A friend of mine owned two pitbulls for over 6 years, raising them both from about 8 weeks. I knew the dogs, and knew my friend, very well, and those dogs were never mistreated or abused in any way. But that didn't stop one of them from almost ripping his mothers arm off in a horrible attack. I was there, and helped to pull the dog off of her. It was a completely unprovoked attack, after six years with no sign that either dog was violent in any way.
 
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Every so oftern, there's a dog mauling story in and around Denver. Last summer, a pit bull in a rural area got loose, went over to the neighbors house, entered through the dog door and ripped their two poodles to shreds.

On the local news last week, a Denver Police spokesman put it something like this:

"Banning pit bulls is much like banning Uzis."

No doubt a contentious debate, but my opinion is, if you want a dog, get a breed with a better track record.
 
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So let me get this straight...

First:

"Partners" Stef'ny Steffen and Gina Black have a pit Bull named "Xena." Look... I think its best to get rid of that dog... I mean how healthy can the dog be, raised in that sort of environment... you know the other dogs make fun of it... "Oh look, Xena has TWO mommies."

Second:

Am I misunderstanding something, but does it appear that Pit Bull ownership has only been legal [again] since last year? (Due to the state legislature bill that was subsequently overreuled)... How many people got Pit Bulls in that time?

Third:

This seems like a really well written ordinance:

"Pit bull typically describes three kinds of dogs — the American Pit Bull Terrier, American Staffordshire Terrier and the Staffordshire Bull Terrier. But Denver's ban applies to any dog that looks like a pit bull. The animal's actual behavior does not matter."

One thought on this: If translated Verbatim to Columbus: "Well, Mr AKAK... I'm sorry, your Shih Tzu has a black nose, kind of looks like one of them Pitt Bulls, we're gonna have to take him away." (AKAK responds, "While that may seem like a good idea to you, note that clicking sound you hear? That's Mrs AKAK and a 12 Gauge... tell Mike Coleman to put that in his Assault Weapons ban and SMoke it.")

Another thought on this: [And the quote by Oh8ch, Catch these bad apples before they breed and you will eventually have a kindler, gentler pit bull.] Please, Please, Please... lv and bkb... Do not pick up on that and the "American Pit Bull Terrier, American Staffordshire Terrier and the Staffordshire Bull Terrier." part and inform us of how God, Nature, Darwin, or Dr. Moreau did or did not cause the differentation in these breeds.

Yet another thought on this: I don't see how this helps a dog that's say 1/4 Pitt Bull and 3/4, oh... Akita... that's what you need... a 36 inch tall (at the shoulder) 175 pound Japanese gaurd dog with a fighting demeanor....

Fourth:

I don't really have a problem with the ban on these dogs... fine... whatever.

But, I do, however have problem with the Government (City or County, I guess- in this case) Confiscating personal property and destoying it if these dogs were acquired legally- while the ban was not in effect. I doubt there is any compensation to the owners. It seems to me that they should have made some requirements instead, to say ban the sale and importation of Pitt Bulls into the city or county, require all owners to pay for a special permit/liscence (Could make some bucks that way), require extra insurance and force the owners to spay or neuter their dogs... I think then you'd legislate a lot of them out of ownership... keep new dogs from showing up, and refrain form the seizure of legally acquired property... plus... once again... its not the dog's damned fault he lives in Denver... doesn't even know what Denver is. (And for anyone who would complain about the extra rules... Fuck You, I'm a smoker... don't tell me about extra rules.)

And finally, Fifth:

Are we sure this isn't a big misunderstanding and they are just trying to ban Brad Pitt?
 
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Apparently Boston has a "muzzle law" for Pit Bulls. Here is a post that I saw this a.m. on Craigslist:

Upon taking my dog and my husband to an event on the Esplanade last night I was approached by an off-duty animal control officer who asked if my dog was a pit bull. I said she was a shelter dog and we weren't sure (though we do think she has some in her bc of the shape of her muzzle and eyes- but she's so small- only 35 pounds so who really knows with rescues...).

I was then told that she has to be muzzled in the city or we face a fine of $150.00!

It appauls me that Boston prides itself on being so liberal yet discriminates against a perfectly well behaved dog.

I think we'll wrap our year up here then pay our taxes elsewhere.

If you look like a terrorist, you must be one... :wink2:
 
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Denver sucks! What's next, ban all electric products because a couple of people every year die of electrocution? Maybe we should ban alcohol because of all the drivers driving drunk and killing people. Might as well go ahead and ban all sports cars because there much more dangerous than a mini van. Guns, well guns kill a lot of people every year, so i guess they gotta go to. Might as well ban all small toys for children as im sure that there probably have been a few deaths due to suffacation.
i could go on and on, but some jackass lawmakers will never understand that sometimes "crap happens" and a law is not needed!(unless they are trying to get re-elected and need their name all over the tv and newspaper, which is usually the reason they are doing it). Yep, i have two pitbulls and a rott in case you couldn't tell, and if some idiot trys to take them away for no reason, well i guess im going to put up one hell of a fight.

One more thing, when i first saw the thread was by tibor, i was fully expecting to see a picture of him showering in denver.
 
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