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Ever felt unwelcome? Try being Tim Couch...

Discussion in 'Open Discussion (Work-safe)' started by Bucklion, May 21, 2004.

  1. Bucklion

    Bucklion Throwback Staff Member Former Premier League Champ

    "Before minicamp, the Browns went so far as to clean out Couch's locker and remove his nameplate."

    Ouch. I don't long as the team pays him, I guess they can do anything they want.
  2. FKAGobucks877

    FKAGobucks877 The Most Power-Drunk

    As a lifelong Browns fan, I really do not understand the animosity towards Couch by the Cleveland fans. This, however, takes the cake. The kid wants to play, and the administration won't even let him practice? Seems pretty backwards to me.
  3. Bucklion

    Bucklion Throwback Staff Member Former Premier League Champ


    Seems like they want to trade him so bad they don't want him getting hurt in the meantime (and they don't want him badmouthing the front office in the locker room, too, I guess, but I don't know that he would have if they had treated him better).
  4. WestOgma

    WestOgma Long Live Mike Doss

    Completely agree FKA. I always did like couch and accept wanting to trade him now that we have garcia, but to treat him like this- banning him from working out with the team and removing his nameplate from his locker while he is still under contract seems like they are deliberately trying to disrespect him. As an organization, that is not how you treat your players even if you are trying to trade them.
  5. BuckBackHome

    BuckBackHome Wolverine is largest member of weasel family

    I don't like how they have handled the situation either, however, I agree that he should not be allowed to practice. My understanding is that if he gets hurt the Browns are liable for his contract for this next year. The goal is to get rid of him with the most benefit to the team and the least hurt on their salary cap. A potential $7 million cap hit from a player about to be traded or cut because he tears an ACL at QB school is too great a risk.
  6. FKAGobucks877

    FKAGobucks877 The Most Power-Drunk

    Yeah, I understand the fear of injury, but this is a player that has done everything he could do get the job done, and in return he receives the shaft from the front office. The trade makes sense to me, simply for the fact that the fans are never going to accept Couch, regardless of whether Garcia is there or no. But this complete disrespect and humiliating treatment is just pure BS. My support for the Browns has waned a lot since the whole Art Modell-to-Baltimore fiasco, and with the draft of Kellen Winslow II (butt-muncher), and now this, I'm about ready to move on.
  7. NorthShoreBuck

    NorthShoreBuck True Madness Requires Significant Intelligence


    As a long time fan I have found it difficult to watch the Browns since they have been back.
    Can someone tell me if the Browns tried to re-negotiate with Couch?

    I do not know if any of you have witnessed or particpated in anyone being fired but it is a business decision and there is no way to make it a pleasant experience. They are doing it in a professional way that protects their interest.

    How has the turnover in the front office been handled?
  8. Bucklion

    Bucklion Throwback Staff Member Former Premier League Champ

    "butt-muncher" :chompy:

  9. buckeyebri

    buckeyebri 40 Days in the Hole

    The Browns just seem to be a train wreck waiting to happen. I have had a hard time stomaching the whole Butch Davis era and how they have treated Couch. The only thing worse that I can remember is the Kosar and Bellichump fiascos.

    Sundays used to be spent watching the Browns and playing a pickup football game. It was a standing fact that if the Browns played at 1 the pickup game was at 4 and vicaversa....

    I am getting to old to play pickup football and now I have a hard time watching the Browns when their on.
  10. FKAGobucks877

    FKAGobucks877 The Most Power-Drunk

    Nola: I don't know about any turnover in the front office, as all the old staffers left with the Ravens. Couch offered to re-negotiate his contract, and the Browns offered to cut his contract by 57%. Understandably, Couch declined.

    I understand your point about firing someone, but if that's what they want to do, then fire him. Don't humiliate him. Right now he is a member of the Cleveland Browns, and should be treated as such. Instead, the Browns are stringing him along and selfishly treating him like a piece of dirt. I'm fed up with the Browns, and as far as I'm concerned, they ceased to exist when they left for Baltimore.
  11. vrbryant

    vrbryant Ever thus to ____ers Staff Member

    I just hope to hell my Packers are able to work out a deal with him. Only 26, he'll be about 28 by the time Brett leaves. Perfect.
  12. IronBuckI

    IronBuckI Calmer than you are.

    Carmen Policy, Ron Wolf, and most recently Lal Heneghan:The team's salary cap manager and general counsel. Have all left or been fired this offseason. Add that to the death of the owner, and his son taking over. I would call that quite a bit of front office upheaval.
  13. NorthShoreBuck

    NorthShoreBuck True Madness Requires Significant Intelligence

    FKA & VR

    My last post was from the office. Got home and my Sporting News was in the mail.

    There was an article on the QB's, Couch, Collins and Warner being cast off as someone's garbage. They did say that Couch, as the others, has a good chance of hooking up with someone else come September, but they will have to take a $$ cut and be a backup. I have heard Couch to the Pack before but the article did not speculate. They also mentioned Eddie George as someone trying to hang with his team but $$ was the issue.

    My point on the front office is the current group that Butch Davis has gotten rid of one by one. This year he will succeed or fail, I can't imagine him getting another chance.

    Sounds like the Browns are still holding out a slim hope of trading Couch. He will probably be released June 1 for cap reasons.

    It still is a business. Crazy that they give unproven rookies more money than winning vets. Free agency has cast aside any loyalty in either direction.
  14. LordJeffBuck

    LordJeffBuck Illuminatus Emeritus Staff Member BP Recruiting Team

    Potential for injury and negativity in the locker room are indeed two reasons why Couch isn't practicing with the Browns; another is the possibility that he might outplay Garcia, which would make Butch look like a total fool.

    It will certainly be interesting to follow Couch's career once he leaves Cleveland: will he be like Jim Plunkett, who was a #1 overall pick who busted in New England before finding himself in Oakland, where he became a Super Bowl winner; or will he be like Jeff George, who was also a #1 overall pick who had a ton of potential which he never realized, regardless of where or under what system he was playing.
  15. jlb1705

    jlb1705 hipster doofus Bookie

    If the Browns want to keep him from getting hurt, the best thing to do is to just ban him from NE Ohio altogether. Lord knows one of Butch's more preferred players would just end up getting drunk, snorting some blow, and running over Couch with their SUV. With Couch hurt, they'd get a much lower draft pick in the trade, which means Butch would have to draft a DIII WR instead of the player from Miami that he really wants.

    In all seriousness, he is getting shit on bigtime by the Clowns. As for the Packers, the breakdown in the talks with them and Couch involves the likelihood that Couch would spend more than one season caddying for Favre. I've read that Couch wouldn't want to be on the bench for more than one season.

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