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Game Thread Game Two: #1 Ohio State 24, #2 Texas 7 (9/9/06)

You mean the same defense that gave up almost 600 yards of offense and 38 points, including 344 yards and 28 points in the second half? USC scored on their first four possessions of that half, with drives of 62, 74, 80, and 80 yards...the Texas defense was all but invisible in the second half.

I wouldn't say that. Numbers don't lie of course, however, USC played probably as good as I can imagine even them playing in that 2nd half, maximizing their talent and balancing the distribution of the ball beautifully throughout. Not only that, but our primary weakness in that game, as well as others throughout the latter part of the season, was LB play, namely our man in the middle A Harris being fatigued at the end, and often out of position. When your primary linebacker in missing gap assignments and allowing a guy like Lendale White to run down hill at you all night, it gives the passing attack much more flexibility and opportunity to work with. Seriously, why else were they so effective? Partly because they're good, but watch the film. D-line occupies linemen, LB's should be there to fill the holes. SHOULD. Where they should be, too often, they were not, and there was nothing to stop Lendale from getting 7, 8 yards before Huff or Griffin came down to pop him. That's not the standard we've set nor the standard anyone should expect we'll be playing at next year. We will improve. Here's why:

In the same way that your offense improved as a unit last year, and looks to continue that this year, despite some lost players, we see the strength of our defense in much the same way; A unit that was very good last year, improving as it went along, and returns its majority this year, all having been battle-tested, with the replacement spots left to mega-talented, seasoned back-ups, in some cases, rearranged starters. Guys like RS-Fr Rod Muckelroy who ran scout team/2nd team in practice, impressed, and probably would've played last year if needed, but Chiz felt it better to let him RS. Replace a seasoned, but fatigued, veteran like Aaron Harris, and his 4.7-4.8 speed with that a guy who runs 4.5. If you can concede even marginally better assignment recognition even 50% of the time, which from watching Harris last year seems very reasonable, its totally plausible to expect marked improvements. Same story injecting freakish talents like Fr Sergio Kindle to wreak havoc at times throughout the game. Increased pash rush where was less prevalent before, reduce run support demands on secondary = improved unit overall.

Bottom line, this unit has the nuts and bolts to be a dominating force even early in the season. Think Buckeye's 2005 unit hyperbole, and you're close (but not quite) to how many Texas fans see our team. More accurately, our unit compared to last year's Buck's unit is probably closer to what will be this year's Bucks' offense vis a vis the VY-led Texas offense of a year ago was. Nonetheless, they're good. Don't let a marginal, albeit victorious, performance against one of the most potent offensive machines in the last 20 years ('05 USC) give you too much confidence about what kind of success you'll have this time around.
 
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A unit that was very good last year, improving as it went along, and returns its majority this year, all having been battle-tested, with the replacement spots left to mega-talented, seasoned back-ups, in some cases, rearranged starters.

Which brings us right back to the Rose Bowl second-half meltdown. This shows, at least to me, that an excellent offense firing on all cylinders can handle the Texas defense. While we may not have Bush and White in the backfield, we'll have Pittman and Wells (not that far off). Troy Smith was actually a more efficient passer than Leinart last year, especially in the second half of the season (see some of DaddyBigBuck's research). Our OL may not be quite up to USC's caliber, but it won't be that much worse. The offensive key will be the OL and how much Ginn has improved as a pure WR. If our OL plays even decently and Ginn has polished his route running as much as many say, then I don't see us scoring under 27 points and should crack 30.
 
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You mean the same defense that gave up almost 600 yards of offense and 38 points, including 344 yards and 28 points in the second half?

That would be the defense that held USC to 12 points below their average., which was simlar to the 11 point differential against tOSU, and both of those were away games.

If the 2006 UT defense is just as productive, and it will be at least that good, it will hold tOSU 14 points or more below their average for the 2006 season.
 
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That would be the defense that held USC to 12 points below their average., which was simlar to the 11 point differential against tOSU, and both of those were away games.

If the 2006 UT defense is just as productive, and it will be at least that good, it will hold tOSU 14 points or more below their average for the 2006 season.
:rofl: keep spinning xray. Blame it on incredible offense, but there simple was not much defense in the rose bowl (at least not the 2nd half). USC held texas 9 points under their average, is that an accomplishment? Everyone ripped on the USC D, yet they were only 3 points worse than the UT d that night.

Glad your defense will be just as productive with your losses, but OSU better not dare to suggest their offense will be good without mangold/holmes.
 
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That would be the defense that held USC to 12 points below their average., which was simlar to the 11 point differential against tOSU, and both of those were away games.

If the 2006 UT defense is just as productive, and it will be at least that good, it will hold tOSU 14 points or more below their average for the 2006 season.
The Texas offense was great last year. They gave the defense quite an advantage....forcing teams to come from behind, lousy field position, few turnovers and the ablility to control the clock if they needed to.
You don't have Vince Young this year. I'm not suggesting he was a one-man show, but losing the best college quarterback in recent memory IS going to hurt your offense....which in turn will hurt the defense.
On any given play the 2006 Texas defense may be better than the 2005 version, but over the course of a game and a season I think it will fare worse, statistically.
 
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Would you Texas fans like to confer with each other and come back later? Right now you're singing from very different sheets of music.
  • One of you claims that your defense will be as good, or at least nearly as good as our defense was last year.
  • The other claims that you'll hold us to 14 points below our average.
  • Texas averaged 53.27 ppg last year against teams not named Ohio State. Very impressive, you should be proud.
  • Ohio State's defense held UT 28.27 points below this number last year.
So is your defense going to be as good as ours was last year, or is it going to be half as good?

Please get back to us soon on this one. We really don't like to see dissent and individuality among guest fans here.


EDIT: This was my 714th post. I would like to dedicate it to George Herman Ruth, who hit that number of home runs without performance enhancing drugs. (unless you count alcohol, but I don't think that enhances baseball performance)
 
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That would be the defense that held USC to 12 points below their average., which was simlar to the 11 point differential against tOSU, and both of those were away games.

If the 2006 UT defense is just as productive, and it will be at least that good, it will hold tOSU 14 points or more below their average for the 2006 season.

Only xrayrandy can feel pride in holding an offense to 574 yards. Holding USC to 11 points below their 49-point average (22.5% below) doesn't equate to holding OSU to 14 points below their 33 ppg game average (i.e., 19 points)...it would equate to holding OSU to 26 points. I can see OSU possibly being held to 26-28 points on offense, but there is no way in hell that Texas holds a Troy Smith led OSU offense to 19 points...no way in hell.
 
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That would be the defense that held USC to 12 points below their average., which was simlar to the 11 point differential against tOSU, and both of those were away games.

If the 2006 UT defense is just as productive, and it will be at least that good, it will hold tOSU 14 points or more below their average for the 2006 season.
newsflash captain spinorama....bowl games aren't away games, they're neutral.
 
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Antoine was my favorite player when i was younger. Anytime you saw him coming on the corner blitz you just knew he was going to hammer the QB.
 
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You mean the same defense that gave up almost 600 yards of offense and 38 points, including 344 yards and 28 points in the second half? USC scored on their first four possessions of that half, with drives of 62, 74, 80, and 80 yards...the Texas defense was all but invisible in the second half.
I didn't say they shut them down. I just meant they've seen a far better offense than what OSU will have. While you guys likely haven't re-watched the RB, Lienert put on a clinic in the second half of threading balls to well covered receivers.

As I recall that same defense kept OSU offense pretty limited. Without sloppy Texas special teams and OSU great D OSU would've had 7-10 points.

While you guys talk of OSU's offense's growth last year you ignore the offensive growth Texas had. That was the 2nd game for the true freshman RB Jamaal Charles and going into the season Texas didn't have a single receiver on the roster with a TD catch the previous season. The offense at the end of the year was much better than the one you saw in Columbus.
 
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1) I consider the 2006 Rose Bowl to have been quasi-neutral or quasi-away - whatever. The only thing neutral about it was the allocation of tickets. And technically, the Rose Bowl isn't USC's home stadium (although they claim to dominate there and we claim VY owns it). Not really a issue worth arguing about, though.

2) USC made our D look bad. OK. Be grateful you didn't play them and they didn't make your D look bad either. I thought we had good coverage the entire game. Unfortunately, a great route + great timing + a great pass beats great coverage.

Leinart was unreal in the second half - only exceeded by VY's unreal ~6:38 at the end. Our D against their power running game was disappointing, but we made the 4th&2 stop and won, so I can live with it :biggrin:.

3) No VY. Personally, I don't think any 2006 teams would beat 2005 Texas, USC, tOSU, or Penn St. Just like I don't think this any of BB teams from this year would be able to compete with either the UNC or Illinois of the previous year. 2006 Texas doesn't have to be able to beat 2005 USC, tOSU, or Penn St, and we likely wouldn't.

We should have people on the field that understand if they slack, there isn't a VY to bust a 80 yard TD run and bail them out. Last year was definately VY's team. This year, leadership falls on everyone, and it is apparently there. If everyone plays with the attitude that they aren't going to take any plays off in any game all season, I like our chances.

I mean, a VY helps, but they're not around all that often. Plenty of teams have won it all without a VY. I don't see why it would be a Texas-exclusive phenomena :roll2:.
 
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I didn't say they shut them down. I just meant they've seen a far better offense than what OSU will have. While you guys likely haven't re-watched the RB, Lienert put on a clinic in the second half of threading balls to well covered receivers.
"Far better" offense than what we'll have? GTFOH. Offensive stats for the second half of the season:

USC: 49 ppg, 551 ypg (includes run-up-the-score games vs. WSU and UCLA)
OSU: 39 ppg, 485 ypg

Note that five defenses held USC to less yardage than Texas did (Notre Dame, Washington, Stanford, California, and Fresno State) and three held USC to the same or less points (Arizona State, Notre Dame, and California). Out of all these other teams, only Fresno State had any resembling a decent defense.


I mean, a VY helps, but they're not around all that often. Plenty of teams have won it all without a VY. I don't see why it would be a Texas-exclusive phenomena
Texas loses at least three games last year without Yince Young.
 
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