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Going Forward & Hope afer a down day (Merged)

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By BK...Bill talks about the impact of losing Barksdale, Davis and Martin as it relates to our future DL and OL depth.
 
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Here's a couple of observations:

1). The marketization and informationization of recruiting over the last 6-7 years have changed the whole dynamic of the recruiting process. Any kid with a handful of offers from major programs is treated like a Hollywood movie star with everyone dying to get the "inside scoop". And if a kid eats too much Mexican food one night, wakes up the next day and tells a recruiting service over the phone that he has a new leader, a couple of hours later there would be thousands of depressed male frowning over their computers. Is this kind of trend healthy? Certainly not for the student athletes, because it only inflates their ego and sense of self-importance, thus creating a situation where a kid is only going to the school that kisses his ass the most. Ohio State coaches are such that they are not going to kiss any 17 year old's ass.

2). Maybe we need a more enthusiastic approach to recruiting? Recruit is sales, and the number one key to success for salespeople is that they must out-enthuse both their competitors and their potential clients. If you need evidence, just observe what happens when your eight year old daughter implores for a new bike or your seven year old son screams for a new toy firetruck. Tressel and company act with class, stresses academics, talks about family, sit down with the parents, etc, but it's tough to win a "sale" over someone like Pete Carroll who'll literally jump up and down while he's selling you the SC program. So far, we are very successful with the type of kids that fits Tressel's mood. But if we want to pull in a Joseph Barksdale, or a Mike Bush, or a Stanley McClover, we might end some new approaches.
 
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wadc45;708855; said:
As grad always says any position coached by Heacock is one we don't need to worry about and I think he will turn Solomon into a beast.
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Exactly. Though following recruiting definately isn't for the faint of heart, and losing top guys like Barksdale and Martin stings, our coaching staff may be the best in the country at getting the most out of what they have. How else do you explain replacing 9 starters from one of the best Buckeye D's maybe ever, and still rank among the top in the country defensively...even leading in scoring D for a good portion of the season. These guys know what they are doing. They are masters of their craft and I have absolute faith in them.
 
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After the problems with the 2003 class, JT took more control of the recruiting process. It now seems were are taking a more high-road approach..being overly honest as well as less high pressure than some of the other programs.In other words Jt and staff treat recruits as men. He believes in honesty and expects the same from them. Yes sometimes we won't get some of the kids Cooper and Conley got but hopefully there will be less Guilfords,Irrizary(sp.) and Maldonaldos. But also more Hawks Bartons Laurinitis and Jenkins. Some question JT's recruiting today just like the ? the offense in 03. He made adjustments to the O and will to recruiting. I have confidence in JT and if he's holding the trophy tommorrow I'll like that better than the hype show Sunday at the AA Bowl.
 
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I think we all kind of had the thought that Barksdale could change his mind.
But Martin was a punch in the gut and makes us wonder just how the heck it happened?
We will probably never know.


We can only hope that the staff learns from this and adjusts.

Many of us, again, bought into the "greatest recruiting class" hype.
Here is the Internet influence.
Here is really the truth of it.
It's a crap shoot people!
Don't get too invested!
 
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Tresselbeliever - You use a sales metaphor. The number one rule in sales is when you hear the prospect shift in language to show that he is sold on what you are selling you close, there and then. JT seems to take a different, though honorable, approach of advising young kids to look at all their possibilities.
If recruiting is purely salesmanship then this would be a very dangerous tactic. You risk losing the sale.
If, however, what is really going on is a careful and reciprocal evaluation, by JT of the recruit, and by the recruit of where they really wish to be for four years in their life, then this approach makes sense for both parties.
 
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I have no intention of giving false hopes to anybody, nor do I have any inside information, but the last time that I checked the calendar, the first Wednesday in February is the 7th. Let the process play itself out - I still feel that we are in for a surprise or two.
 
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Tresselbeliever - You use a sales metaphor. The number one rule in sales is when you hear the prospect shift in language to show that he is sold on what you are selling you close, there and then. JT seems to take a different, though honorable, approach of advising young kids to look at all their possibilities.
If recruiting is purely salesmanship then this would be a very dangerous tactic. You risk losing the sale.
If, however, what is really going on is a careful and reciprocal evaluation, by JT of the recruit, and by the recruit of where they really wish to be for four years in their life, then this approach makes sense for both parties.
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Closing is important, but coaches can't truly close until the LOI have been faxed on NSD. I look at JT's approach of advising young kids to look at other possibilites as an acceptance of the reality that there's always a long way to go until NSD, especially for OOS recruits.

The job of the salesman is not help evaluate all options for an individual and figure out which option is the best for a particular individual. The job of the salesman is to convince the client that his product is the best based on the salesman's profound confidence in that product. If you don't believe the car that you are selling is the best, or the your travel plans are the best that's out there, you are going to have a tough time translating the positives to the client. Our coaches should be extremely confident that Ohio State is the right destination for the prospects that they are going after, or the chances of beating the opposition would not be all that good.

Edit: being good at sales and being honest are not mutually exclusive. There's a way of being perfectly straightforward to the individual and still sealing the deal. As much as we hate him, Pete Carroll is one of those guys. The reality at USC is that you would have to be very good and have luck go your way to be successful there, and all it takes is two seconds to look up how loaded their roster is, but kids still flock there despite the depth chart susceptible to negative recruiting.
 
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