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HC Ryan Day (2019 B1G Media COY)

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billmac91 said:
I don’t want this to come across as condescending, but in no way, shape, or form….was Hartline actually taking play calling duties from Day. It was simply done to allow OSU to pay Hartline more money and retain him in his current role.
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Then why go on the record and tell the Dispatch that the plan was to pass off play calling duties?

So, what you are saying is Day never actually meant what he told everybody, and it was just malarkey to get Hartline a pay raise he could get anyways?

Look I like Day, and have been an apologist at times. Most of the time this past two seasons in fact. I get that sometimes certain things need to be legal fiction for contract purposes. However, there are also hard truths.

In any way you want to view it, things are coming to a head.
 
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bigdog3300 said:
You're looking at one year on one site that gives points to recruiters for quantity and based off of their ratings....
By this logic, you believe Donovan Raiola, Terry Smith, Phil Trautwein, Junior Adams and Tim Walton are all better recruiters than Hartline?!
Come on man....dude just held off the state of Florida and went coast to coast on the top WR this decade, plucked 5 stars out of Washington, etc. etc. etc.

He IS the best recruiter in the country. When he's the primary, there is no one else more feared than Hartline for other schools.
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He may be the best at his position, but how is that helping the rest of the team? A Head Coach is responsible for the the entire team not just one group. And I don't care how good of a recruiter is someone is when more of their recruits end up transferring than staying. I like Hartline, don't get me wrong. I'm just saying he's a great WR coach but isn't someone I would look at to be a head coach right now.
 
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osuvictory1 said:
Then why go on the record and tell the Dispatch that the plan was to pass off play calling duties?

So, what you are saying is Day never actually meant what he told everybody, and it was just malarkey to get Hartline a pay raise he could get anyways?

Look I like Day, and have been an apologist at times. Most of the time this past two seasons in fact. I get that sometimes certain things need to be legal fiction for contract purposes. However, there are also hard truths.

In any way you want to view it, things are coming to a head.
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Yes.

At end of day, Hartline is a state employee. It’s hard to justify his pay when you look at what the average WR coach makes. But call him Co-OC and he’s within an acceptable range.

They play games like this all the time to find ways to get guys $$$ they deserve. Hartline is worth every penny so they took liberty with giving him a title they didn’t intend to use.
 
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osuvictory1 said:
Point is, Day needs to hand over the play calling.
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Then say that without making up a bunch of nonsense reasons for it. If it's so obvious (it is), then it should be easy to prove without clutching your pearls because he said something to the media that ended up being not true. If he never loses another game, you don't care if he lies to your face.
 
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BuckeyeNation27 said:
We're just inventing stuff to be upset about at this point. Ohhhhhhh noooooooo.....the head coach of a premiere college football team isn't 100% honest with the fans!
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Right, I mean we should be shocked by any of this. Next thing you know people will want him to be honest about the injury update/availability list. Oh wait….
 
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osuvictory1 said:
To some degree I agree with you. There may be some sour grapes. But I don't get the sense that he craps on the wide receivers. He did have a point that I find valid, that they are recruiting all these stud WR's, and not rotating them in, which could call into question development. He said, he was not calling for Hartline to be fired, but the futility of putting him in that role. Valid.

But the bottom line is, does Hartline bring value to being the Co-OC? That is a very valid question.
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Also, the poor WR blocking has been apparent.
 
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billmac91 said:
Yes.

At end of day, Hartline is a state employee. It’s hard to justify his pay when you look at what the average WR coach makes. But call him Co-OC and he’s within an acceptable range.

They play games like this all the time to find ways to get guys $$$ they deserve. Hartline is worth every penny so they took liberty with giving him a title they didn’t intend to use.
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Other “state employees” often times do the same thing.
 
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billmac91 said:
Yes.

At end of day, Hartline is a state employee. It’s hard to justify his pay when you look at what the average WR coach makes. But call him Co-OC and he’s within an acceptable range.

They play games like this all the time to find ways to get guys $$$ they deserve. Hartline is worth every penny so they took liberty with giving him a title they didn’t intend to use.
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It's pretty much the same thing they did with LJ Sr by giving him the "Assistant Head Coach" title so they could give him a raise. Prior to that he was, just like Hartline, simply a position coach.
 
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BuckeyeNation27 said:
Then say that without making up a bunch of nonsense reasons for it. If it's so obvious (it is), then it should be easy to prove without clutching your pearls because he said something to the media that ended up being not true. If he never loses another game, you don't care if he lies to your face.
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Because I don't believed Day lied. I think he genuinely wants to pass the baton, but he also wants to have control of the offense. It can't cut both ways. I think Day withholds info, but doesn't lie.

Originally, I believe that Hartline's promotion was both a way to keep him at OSU, and somebody that Day can train to run his system. I don't think it is progressing like that, or as fast as it needs to.

I just think he is having a hard time letting the play calling go, and time is of the essence for him to be the CEO.

The track record for HC's who are the primary play callers is not very good. The best HC's take a CEO approach and hire the best assistant's out there.
 
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osuvictory1 said:
Then why go on the record and tell the Dispatch that the plan was to pass off play calling duties?

So, what you are saying is Day never actually meant what he told everybody, and it was just malarkey to get Hartline a pay raise he could get anyways?

Look I like Day, and have been an apologist at times. Most of the time this past two seasons in fact. I get that sometimes certain things need to be legal fiction for contract purposes. However, there are also hard truths.

In any way you want to view it, things are coming to a head.
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Cause Coach Day is a liar.

He just said what everyone wanted to hear, but had zero intentions of ever giving up play calling.

Does anyone actually believe that Hartline was calling any plays during the season ? I never noticed him on the sidelines or communicating with the box (as if there was anyone in the box that could actually give constructive feedback).
 
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zbuck said:
Cause Coach Day is a liar.

He just said what everyone wanted to hear, but had zero intentions of ever giving up play calling.

Does anyone actually believe that Hartline was calling any plays during the season ? I never noticed him on the sidelines or communicating with the box (as if there was anyone in the box that could actually give constructive feedback).
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So because you didn't notice it, and I'm totally sure your attention was 100% focused on what Hartline was doing too, that means it didn't happen?

Interesting assertion...
 
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