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I'm Optimistic...Still

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The game is over and it was not the ending anyone other than michigan fans wanted. It was humbling and maybe what was needed. However, I am still optimistic about this team and coaching staff.

The rivalry is definitely back. As bad as it is to lose to ttun two years in a row, our run of dominance was due to come to an end. Things return to their mean. I would love to beat them by 50 every season, but having a true rival makes those wins that much sweeter.

I still believe in this coaching staff, although a few more changes will happen. We had quite a few new coaches added to the staff this season. I didn't expect any of them to turn their units into the number 1 units in the country. Change takes time and I expect continued improvement next season. So, I'm not expecting mass turnover like we had last season, but definitely some tweaking.

I would be perfectly happy with Day giving up calling plays. Being the head coach has always seemed like a CEO position to me - hire the best coaches and let them do their jobs while you coordinate the big picture. I'm sure he and Gene Smith will be having serious meetings soon.

The upcoming recruiting class seems underrated to me. We are grabbing most of the top players in Ohio and I don't expect a big let down as we approach the finish line. Plus the stud class we had last year has a full year under their belts and I expect are chomping at the bit. Lots of talented depth will be there.

We have resources most colleges cannot imagine. From the fan base to the facilities to the donors to the support of the administration.

We are definitely still in a golden era of OSU football. If you aren't sure, just go back and look at OSU records the last 50 years to see what the last 20 years have been like.

Before my final comment - thanks to all those young men who bring us this joy, and sometimes pain, every Saturday in the fall! I cannot imagine what they sacrifice for my enjoyment. Especially considering many of them are not even old enough for me to buy them a beer.

Finally, I lived in tsun during many of the Cooper years. If I can survive being an OSU alum living there during that period I certainly can handle a two game losing streak to ttun and am confident it will be a totally different outcome next November.

Go Bucks!!!
 
BuckBackHome said:
The game is over and it was not the ending anyone other than michigan fans wanted. It was humbling and maybe what was needed. However, I am still optimistic about this team and coaching staff.

The rivalry is definitely back. As bad as it is to lose to ttun two years in a row, our run of dominance was due to come to an end. Things return to their mean. I would love to beat them by 50 every season, but having a true rival makes those wins that much sweeter.

I still believe in this coaching staff, although a few more changes will happen. We had quite a few new coaches added to the staff this season. I didn't expect any of them to turn their units into the number 1 units in the country. Change takes time and I expect continued improvement next season. So, I'm not expecting mass turnover like we had last season, but definitely some tweaking.

I would be perfectly happy with Day giving up calling plays. Being the head coach has always seemed like a CEO position to me - hire the best coaches and let them do their jobs while you coordinate the big picture. I'm sure he and Gene Smith will be having serious meetings soon.

The upcoming recruiting class seems underrated to me. We are grabbing most of the top players in Ohio and I don't expect a big let down as we approach the finish line. Plus the stud class we had last year has a full year under their belts and I expect are chomping at the bit. Lots of talented depth will be there.

We have resources most colleges cannot imagine. From the fan base to the facilities to the donors to the support of the administration.

We are definitely still in a golden era of OSU football. If you aren't sure, just go back and look at OSU records the last 50 years to see what the last 20 years have been like.

Before my final comment - thanks to all those young men who bring us this joy, and sometimes pain, every Saturday in the fall! I cannot imagine what they sacrifice for my enjoyment. Especially considering many of them are not even old enough for me to buy them a beer.

Finally, I lived in tsun during many of the Cooper years. If I can survive being an OSU alum living there during that period I certainly can handle a two game losing streak to ttun and am confident it will be a totally different outcome next November.

Go Bucks!!!
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Did you go to South America with Aaron Rodgers… if Day is for mental health he jeopardized a lot of people today lol
 
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BuckBackHome said:
The game is over and it was not the ending anyone other than michigan fans wanted. It was humbling and maybe what was needed. However, I am still optimistic about this team and coaching staff.

The rivalry is definitely back. As bad as it is to lose to ttun two years in a row, our run of dominance was due to come to an end. Things return to their mean. I would love to beat them by 50 every season, but having a true rival makes those wins that much sweeter.

I still believe in this coaching staff, although a few more changes will happen. We had quite a few new coaches added to the staff this season. I didn't expect any of them to turn their units into the number 1 units in the country. Change takes time and I expect continued improvement next season. So, I'm not expecting mass turnover like we had last season, but definitely some tweaking.

I would be perfectly happy with Day giving up calling plays. Being the head coach has always seemed like a CEO position to me - hire the best coaches and let them do their jobs while you coordinate the big picture. I'm sure he and Gene Smith will be having serious meetings soon.

The upcoming recruiting class seems underrated to me. We are grabbing most of the top players in Ohio and I don't expect a big let down as we approach the finish line. Plus the stud class we had last year has a full year under their belts and I expect are chomping at the bit. Lots of talented depth will be there.

We have resources most colleges cannot imagine. From the fan base to the facilities to the donors to the support of the administration.

We are definitely still in a golden era of OSU football. If you aren't sure, just go back and look at OSU records the last 50 years to see what the last 20 years have been like.

Before my final comment - thanks to all those young men who bring us this joy, and sometimes pain, every Saturday in the fall! I cannot imagine what they sacrifice for my enjoyment. Especially considering many of them are not even old enough for me to buy them a beer.

Finally, I lived in tsun during many of the Cooper years. If I can survive being an OSU alum living there during that period I certainly can handle a two game losing streak to ttun and am confident it will be a totally different outcome next November.

Go Bucks!!!
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Good analysis.

Just sayin': I'm still optimistic too. Attitudes toward a head coach can turn around, even decades before Cooper, I was there in 1967 when they actually hung Woody in effigy.

“There’s no question it was a turning point, because they were hanging the ‘old man’ (Hayes) in effigy when we were freshmen, they were saying ‘Get rid of him,’ " Kern said. “Woody must have lobbied really hard for one more year, probably saying ‘Just give me an opportunity to see what we can do with these sophomores coming up.’
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The "cupboard isn't bare" by any means and they have another good recruiting class coming in 2023 too. There is nothing so wrong that beating scUM in 2023 won't fix.
 
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NFBuck said:
I have no optimism until/unless I see a win next November in AA. This all feels way too familiar to ignore.
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Yes, having lived through the Cooper debacle and now seeing I wholeheartedly agree.

What bothers me even more, and you can hear it in the Michigan players comments, is this team QUIT yesterday. No reason to sugar coat it. That to me is a huge indictment on the staff. Woody was rolling in his grave watching that debacle, I’m sure.

I’m not from Missouri, but the only optimism I will have is when Day proves it on the field.
 
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RuGettinIt said:
Yes, having lived through the Cooper debacle and now seeing I wholeheartedly agree.

What bothers me even more, and you can hear it in the Michigan players comments, is this team QUIT yesterday. No reason to sugar coat it. That to me is a huge indictment on the staff. Woody was rolling in his grave watching that debacle, I’m sure.

I’m not from Missouri, but the only optimism I will have is when Day proves it on the field.
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Dead on. "They are who we think they are" (or something to that effect) is the biggest indictment I can see. Some serious Cooper vibes here.
 
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Systems_id said:
I mean therein lies the rub. Do YOU have faith Day can beat SCUM at Ann Arbor next year? I certainly don't.
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Yeah I know he can but will he change enough to do that? Who knows. IMO, we've got to try to dominate the game by running the ball and winning the TOP. Keep their offense off the field.

They'll likely loose Corum, their TE, both WRs, and could lose all 5 OL (think they lose 3 as it stands). Then their defense loses I think 5 players too which is a lot of turnover in a year.

Too early for next year talk I get it but we'll have everyone back at WR, RB and TE. We'll need a player or two from the portal at OL though. Defense should be disgusting though. DL of Sawyer, JT, Hall and Hamilton. I think both Tommy and Steele come back and IMO well upgrade in the secondary with Styles and Stokes entering.
 
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Captain Buckeye said:
Yeah I know he can but will he change enough to do that? Who knows. IMO, we've got to try to dominate the game by running the ball and winning the TOP. Keep their offense off the field.

They'll likely loose Corum, their TE, both WRs, and could lose all 5 OL (think they lose 3 as it stands). Then their defense loses I think 5 players too which is a lot of turnover in a year.

Too early for next year talk I get it but we'll have everyone back at WR, RB and TE. We'll need a player or two from the portal at OL though. Defense should be disgusting though. DL of Sawyer, JT, Hall and Hamilton. I think both Tommy and Steele come back and IMO well upgrade in the secondary with Styles and Stokes entering.
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Yep. Henderson and Hayden will be back, maybe Williams too. JSN is gone (I still feel he unofficially opted out this year), but Harrison, Fleming and Ebukva are all back. Can McCord be the man? The one game he started when CJ was hurt he threw for over 300 yds. I think that was against a MAC team, but still
 
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JCOSU86 said:
Yep. Henderson and Hayden will be back, maybe Williams too. JSN is gone (I still feel he unofficially opted out this year), but Harrison, Fleming and Ebukva are all back. Can McCord be the man? The one game he started when CJ was hurt he threw for over 300 yds. I think that was against a MAC team, but still
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We need a duel threat QB. Not someone that runs it 15 times a game, but that will tuck it and run when easy yards are there. Or when the weather goes to hell in the bigten. So is that McCord? It honestly might be Brown. Kid has wheels from the tape I saw.
 
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Buckeyes fans, including me, are spoiled. Can RD continue to adjust and finally get the organization straightened out? I'm hopeful. He addressed the glaring defensive coaching issue last year (if not entirely successfully). Anyway, to those who want RD replaced be careful what you wish for- Michigan, Miami, USC, Texas, Tennessee, etc. etc. have spent decades in mediocrity trying to get the coaching hire right.
 
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JCOSU86 said:
Right now? No. But I didn't think Tressel could call out Michigan, barely beat Kent St, and then go to AA and win, but he did.
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Tress didn't have the weight of two awful losses hanging over his head. Yesterday it felt like the team was battling the demons of last year as much as they were battling the team before them. This loss feels way worse than last year because I generally thought yesterday's gameplan was pretty solid whereas last year's was a disaster from top to bottom. It's like the players themselves didn't believe they could win. Crucial drops and mental mistakes at horrible times. OSU used to forced SCUM into the same mental mistake the Buckeyes committed yesterday. I honestly believe if Urban was coaching that game yesterday they drop 70 like he almost did in 2018.

Like I'm not really sure what you change here except maybe getting the entire team a sports psychologist. Maybe a new DB coach but I'm not sure if it's a talent issue or coaching issue. Feels like the team is just missing that something a HC usually brings. Saban has the worst collection of coordinators he's ever had but even then his teams are hard to put down just due to them playing hard. Urban's teams would do a lot of boneheaded shit but when it came to playing SCUM, and big games in general, it felt like they would always give that extra something which has been missing since the 2019 team. I thought Day was the guy when he took a relatively schizo 2018 team and molded them into the most dominant OSU team I've ever seen, but now I'm not sure at all.

Right now the issue is all mental. For the first time in two decades OSU doesn't believe they can beat TTUN.
 
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