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Muck

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Found this article from the Washington Post and was absolutely dumbstruck...

Most of the piece is about the rise of 'net based news sources at the expense of traditional outlets. Nothing particularly new there but then I came across this little tidbit...

It's possible that over time, an energy tax, by making some computers, Web sites, blogs and perhaps cable TV channels too costly to maintain, could reduce the supply of information. If Americans are finally giving up SUVs because of high oil prices, might we not eventually do the same with some information technologies that only seem to fragment our society, not unite it? A reduced supply of information technology might at least gradually cause us to gravitate toward community-centered media such as local newspapers instead of the hyper-individualistic outlets we have now.

Mr. Environmental Lobby Attorney thinks that the independent sources of information should be priced out of the arena...for the good of the Democracy.
 
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Muck;1240545; said:
Found this article from the Washington Post and was absolutely dumbstruck...

Most of the piece is about the rise of 'net based news sources at the expense of traditional outlets. Nothing particularly new there but then I came across this little tidbit...



Mr. Environmental Lobby Attorney thinks that the independent sources of information should be priced out of the arena...for the good of the Democracy.

[Dayton]I bet Gator proposes only white property owners should get to read BP on-line. [/Dayton]
 
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yeah, thats super intelligent. we'll make power so expensive that we "average" people can't afford to run pc's anymore.


The basics of TV power - TV power consumption
Power consumption compared

TVs:
Average plasma: 350 watts
Average rear-projection: 212 watts
Average LCD: 213 watts

Other A/V gear:
PlayStation 3: 197 watts
Xbox360: 187 watts
Average PC: 78 watts
DirecTV HR20 DVR: 33 watts
Wii: 19 watts
Slingbox: 9 watts
Wireless router: 7 watts

im sure this would make us watch more news. well... i mean... except for the fact that pc's use less power than our tv's... n... like... we'll have all frozen to death because we couldn't afford to turn on the furnace... so... well... nevermind i guess...

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That is the dumbest fucking oped piece I think I've ever read.

Newsflash buddy, you don't need to be a fucking rocket scientist to figure out that higher fuel costs will make it more cost effective to produce certain things closer to theri markets...

Here's an example... yeah, lets go back to typing all of our business correspondence on (non electric) typewriters. (Maybe we coudl off offshore that to India)
 
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"radical and unlikely" is the best description.
Why not just tax bullets so everyone will have to carry bowie knives like Deety does? :tongue2:
Taxing to make societal change doesn't work.(outside of the smoking tax)
 
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Taxing to make societal change doesn't work.
Amongst a teeming sea of broad, sweeping generalities, this one is more false than most. Tax policy is historically one of the most effective means of changing behavior of the taxed. Witness: cigarette smoking.
 
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Sometimes you really just have to ask why someone allowed such drivel to be printed. I mean You can think your poo doesn't smell but others should be willing to warn you before you embarrass yourself. I don't see an information tax going over well.
 
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martinss01;1241172; said:
yeah, thats super intelligent. we'll make power so expensive that we "average" people can't afford to run pc's anymore.


The basics of TV power - TV power consumption


im sure this would make us watch more news. well... i mean... except for the fact that pc's use less power than our tv's... n... like... we'll have all frozen to death because we couldn't afford to turn on the furnace... so... well... nevermind i guess...


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Perhaps, before we ditch those awful PCs we ought to measure how much energy goes into making a typical newspaper. Like, for instance a nice sunday paper.

Say that weighs 2.2 pounds, you'd get about 1,000 sunday's from each Bone dry Ton of Newsprint.

So, how much energy does it take to make a ton of newsprint? A lot.

Tables omitted due to formatting problems:

THE MODEL NEWSPRINT MILL

The model newsprint mill consists of a pulp mill and paper machine along with an effluent treatment facility. The fibre furnish for a modern newsprint mill would consist of thermomechanical pulp (TMP) and/or recycled fibre depending on the fibre availability and market requirements. The energy requirements for pulping and paper making operations are described in the following sections.


TABLE IV Omitted


Thermomechanical Pulp Mill

The energy consumption of a modern TMP mill is shown in Table IV. The mill produces TMP for newsprint manufacture from softwood chips. Jackson and Wild estimated the energy consumption for a 500 BDMT/D single-line TMP mill [5]. The total specific refining energy was 2400 kWh/BDMT, which is typical for TMP from black spruce chips for newsprint production [5]. For comparison, reference may be made to a detailed industrial audit complied by Nygaard [6] for Swedish TMP mills, mostly producing for newsprint. Average external power demand for these mills was similar, about 2420 kWh/ADt.
TMP refining energy is affected by wood species; common Canadian species such as pine require more energy than black spruce [7]. Refining energy is also sensitive to paper grade, with higher-quality mechanical printing paper grades requiring higher energy. Though there are new processes for reducing refining energy somewhat [8], consistent industrial performance has not yet been achieved.
Heat recovery is used in modern TMP newsprint mills to recover some of the refining energy in the form of clean pressurized steam. The clean steam production in Table IV was calculated for heat recovery of the steam from the mainline and rejects refiners by a reboiler [5]. The estimated steam production for the modern TMP mill, 5.5 GJ/ADt, is similar to the possible steam production calculated by Nygaard, 5.2 GJ/ADt, for the same specific refining energy [6]. The average excess steam production for Swedish TMP mills in 1994 was lower, about 4.4 GJ/ADt [6].


Recycled Fibre Mill

The electricity consumption of a modern recycled fibre mill producing de-inked pulp (DIP) for newsprint manufacture is 400 kWh/ADt [3]. The average external power demand for Swedish recycled fibre mills in 1994 was lower, about 330 kWh/ADt [6]. The steam consumption of a modern recycled fibre mill is 0.8 GJ/ADt, taken from the model recycled fibre mill in Nygaard [6]. The average fuel heat demand for Swedish recycled fibre mills in 1994 was lower, about 0.3 GJ/ADt [6].
Paper Machine

The energy consumption for a modern newsprint paper machine is shown in Table V [9]. The average electricity consumption for Swedish newsprint paper mills in 1994 was higher, about 440 kWh/ADt [6]. Talja et al. measured 344 kWh/ADt electricity consumption for a modern paper machine producing SC paper [10].
No matter how you slice and dice it, making newsprint is far more energy intensive than dispensing pixels.

The study's author is looking at the wrong end of the donkey.
 
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