Jim Bollman (Stay calm and run Dave)

[Bill Lucas]

Unfortunately, I agree with this.

Yep. Bollman gets a lot of grief here but Ohio State does have a quarterbacks coach as well.

 

[Jaxbuck]

Yep. Bollman gets a lot of grief here but Ohio State does have a quarterbacks coach as well.

You'd think as an OC if the QB coaches were putting out a product that was inferior, and hurting your offense in the process, you would do something about it. Especially if say you had a really good relationship with the head coach the past 10 years or so.

QB/RB/WR coaches have come and gone over the years. Players have come and gone. Bollman has been the constant.

 

[Woody1968]

You'd think as an OC if the QB coaches were putting out a product that was inferior, and hurting your offense in the process, you would do something about it. Especially if say you had a really good relationship with the head coach the past 10 years or so.

QB/RB/WR coaches have come and gone over the years. Players have come and gone. Bollman has been the constant.

Didn't JT take a pretty big role with the QBs though? I don't know, but I am pretty sure he did with Pryor, at least.

 

[woofermazing]

He wasn't brought in to Texas for his ability to run. In his first year as a starter, he had 170 yards rushing with 2 TDs. That is 2.5 yards per carry. Not that much of a threat, IMO. He developed an ability to run the ball, but he was always more of a threat to throw it.

I remember another qb coming in quite a bit during 06. It was mostly a one man show for his later seasons.

 

[Jaxbuck]

Didn't JT take a pretty big role with the QBs though? I don't know, but I am pretty sure he did with Pryor, at least.

Thats what we've always heard.

I've never been one to absolve Tressel of his part in the overall offensive issues. Bauserman has been 1 play away from being the starter the past few years Pryor or no Pryor. We see now what they developed him into. Who gets credit for that?

Whoever was responsible for whichever QB we've seen about 1 1/2 good years of offense from each Smith and Pryor. Out of a sample of 10, 7 being bad and 3 being good doesn't make me think the 3 are the norm and the 7 are the outlier.

My whole point on this has never wavered, the offense has consistently been the weak link on this team and for no good reason.

OSU consistently puts an excellent defense on the field, the special teams have had a bit more volatility but overall I'd say well above average at worst. There is simply no excuse for the offense to consistently be as inferior as it has been in relation to the rest of the team.

The same recruiting resources that consistently produce excellent defenses are available to the offense and yet offense is the glaring weakness of the team, year after year.

We don't have to be bad on offense to be a good defensive team, the two concepts are not mutually exclusive. It doesn't have to be some crazy June Jones chuck and duck offense, it just needs to be consistently effective at scoring points and they have been anything but that.

Bad offense =/= winning.

 

[Woody1968]

I remember another qb coming in quite a bit during 06. It was mostly a one man show for his later seasons.

That was Snead? I think mostly in mop-up duty except for when McCoy was injured late in the season.

McCoy threw for 2500+ yards his first season and set the University of Texas school record for most TDs in a season at 29 (He later broke his own record).

 

[Woody1968]

Thats what we've always heard.

I've never been one to absolve Tressel of his part in the overall offensive issues. Bauserman has been 1 play away from being the starter the past few years Pryor or no Pryor. We see now what they developed him into. Who gets credit for that?

Whoever was responsible for whichever QB we've seen about 1 1/2 good years of offense from each Smith and Pryor. Out of a sample of 10, 7 being bad and 3 being good doesn't make me think the 3 are the norm and the 7 are the outlier.

My whole point on this has never wavered, the offense has consistently been the weak link on this team and for no good reason.

OSU consistently puts an excellent defense on the field, the special teams have had a bit more volatility but overall I'd say well above average at worst. There is simply no excuse for the offense to consistently be as inferior as it has been in relation to the rest of the team.

The same recruiting resources that consistently produce excellent defenses are available to the offense and yet offense is the glaring weakness of the team, year after year.

We don't have to be bad on offense to be a good defensive team, the two concepts are not mutually exclusive. It doesn't have to be some crazy June Jones chuck and duck offense, it just needs to be consistently effective at scoring points and they have been anything but that.

Bad offense =/= winning.

Thanks for the info. I agree, and my biggest gripe is player development. Opening up the playbook is not the answer, unless the development of the players is brought up to the point where they can execute the plays they are given to run. We saw the playbook open up a bit in the middle portion of the Indiana game, and with the exception of the pass to Boren, it wasn't that pretty.

 

[Nicknam4]

Didn't JT take a pretty big role with the QBs though? I don't know, but I am pretty sure he did with Pryor, at least.

Well he was a QB himself so he probably did.

 

[buckeyesin07]

You'd think as an OC if the QB coaches were putting out a product that was inferior, and hurting your offense in the process, you would do something about it. Especially if say you had a really good relationship with the head coach the past 10 years or so.

QB/RB/WR coaches have come and gone over the years. Players have come and gone. Bollman has been the constant.

Bingo. And, more directly for those who don't agree with this line of thinking, what about the huge disparity between the highly rated OL OSU brings in vs the lack of high OL draft picks that OSU produces. Is that the QB coaches' fault too?

 

[Systems_id]

The same recruiting resources that consistently produce excellent defenses are available to the offense and yet offense is the glaring weakness of the team, year after year.

We don't have to be bad on offense to be a good defensive team, the two concepts are not mutually exclusive. It doesn't have to be some crazy June Jones chuck and duck offense, it just needs to be consistently effective at scoring points and they have been anything but that.

Bad offense =/= winning.

To be fair, most teams are good in only 2 out of 3 phases in the game. Alabama and LSU are merely "good" this year on offense despite having a lot of returning talent. Hell LSU was downright terrible on offense the past couple of years until this year, when they were upgraded to "good".

 

[Fungo Squiggly]

It's weird, I kind of feel like everybody is right about everything here. Consistency of positions, Colt starting off as a passer, etc.

Also, McCoy was a whining douche. He never really accomplished anything, he would just complain and cry about everything Spock and Kirk did. Whatever.

Damnit kinch, he's a quarterback, not a running back.

 

[Bill Lucas]

Bingo. And, more directly for those who don't agree with this line of thinking, what about the huge disparity between the highly rated OL OSU brings in vs the lack of high OL draft picks that OSU produces. Is that the QB coaches' fault too?

No one is "faulting" other coaches. I merely stated that there is a QB coach at Ohio State. Deficiencies in QB play should be attributed to that coach as well as the OC. Same with linemen. The OL coach (Bollman) has to be responsible for the play of the OL. Siciliano has to be accountable in some measure for the development (or lack of) of the quarterbacks.

 

[matcar]

No one is "faulting" other coaches. I merely stated that there is a QB coach at Ohio State. Deficiencies in QB play should be attributed to that coach as well as the OC. Same with linemen. The OL coach (Bollman) has to be responsible for the play of the OL. Siciliano has to be accountable in some measure for the development (or lack of) of the quarterbacks.

JT is accountable too. I think that's part of Jax's point, JT was always in control here and it has always been a bit concerning that JT's offense under-performed relative to the defense. Is Bollman responsible for this? Sure. But so is JT since his hands were always all over the offense and player development...not to
Mention that he also was Boll's boss and the reason Boll's is still around.

 

[BlufftonBuckeye]

Colt McCoy & Aaron Murray both redshirted their first year on campus.

The value of that should not be underestimated.

I think the playcalling was better against IU. Hell, the offense put up 34 points, a far cry from the Miami/Toledo fiasco's.

There was only one play in the IU game that made me shake my head because it was so terrible. It was a slow developing screen on 3rd and 3, to the weak side. I don't think it was the Philly play, because if he hadn't gone down to catch it there was plenty of green in front of him. On this play it was doomed from the get go, as the WR was pinned to the sideline and never had a shot at getting momentum.

I would like to point out that Braxton's pass right down the middle on third down was incredible, and that was a great playcall. Now that Braxton has shown he can put the ball where he wants to, I think it gives the offense more options. He isn't throwing those lame ducks, he IS breaking nice runs. All in all, this offense looks much different from the beginning of the year.

I give Bollman/Sciciliano(sp?) the entire year. If the offense keeps improving and the Bucks win out, some of the credit will go to those guys. IMO, of course.

 

[ThirdGenBuckeye]

The value of that should not be underestimated.



There was only one play in the IU game that made me shake my head because it was so terrible. It was a slow developing screen on 3rd and 3, to the weak side. I don't think it was the Philly play, because if he hadn't gone down to catch it there was plenty of green in front of him. On this play it was doomed from the get go, as the WR was pinned to the sideline and never had a shot at getting momentum.

That was a pass out to Boom way over to the sideline where he instantly lost 3 yards. Definitely not the right type of screen...