OSUBasketballJunkie
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maybe the two threads about this subject should be merged into rumor until we get something concrete...
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AJHawkfan
Wanna make $14 the hard way?
strohs said:
I agree, it would suck. But, it would suck a lot more to lose him after one quarter, one year or anytime before he gets his degree. That hurts the entire program.
strohs said:
I don't want to get into the reliability of standardized testing or cultral bias or anything like that, but why is he having trouble passing admissions? More than likely, it's the 15 score on the ACT. Who's fault is that? Not the University's; not the admissions board; not the football programs......
Don't get me wrong, I know Freddie has had a difficult life and is looking to support his child and whatnot; but the University is also obligated to make decisions based on what is best for the program and university as a whole, not one player.
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OSUBasketballJunkie
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Fred Lenix
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By Bucknuts.com Staff
Date: May 17, 2005
One of Ohio State's most talented recruits from the 2005 recruiting class is apparently in danger of not meeting OSU's academic standards. Cleveland Glenville head coach Ted Ginn tells us that linebacker Fred Lenix has passed NCAA requirements but that his status with OSU admissions is in jeopardy. Click the link for more.
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Most people who saw Cleveland Glenville linebacker Freddie Lenix play in high school thought he was one of the most talented players in the state. Lenix signed with Ohio State in February, but the odds of him getting a chance to show his talents as a Buckeye have gone down considerably.
Lenix appears to be in danger of not being able to meet Ohio State's academic standards.
"It's not over, but it doesn't look good," Glenville head coach Ted Ginn told our Duane Long a short time ago. "He passed NCAA standards. This is the Ohio State admissions office."
Lenix is currently one of the top track performers in the state and is in the middle of trying to lead Glenville to another state track championship.
"Freddie is trying to lead a young track team but right now he is somewhat distracted," Ginn said. "He is heart broken and he is frustrated because there isn't anything he can do."
Lenix was rated as a four-star prospect and the No. 27 linebacker in the nation by scout.com. Lenix was consistently ranked among the top 15 prospects in Ohio by Ohio High magazine throughout his career. He had 147 tackles and 12 sacks as a senior.
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Looks like the writing is on the wall for Freddie, no details of what the problem is but I hope that admissions is following their guidelines to the "T" in this case, because this is a great kid who will be a major addition to any university in my opinion.
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AJHawkfan
Wanna make $14 the hard way?
Just for the record, here is the text from a NLI - taken from the Dennis Kennedy thread of last year: thanks to LightningRod in this post: http://www.buckeyeplanet.com/forum/showpost.php?p=37811&postcount=62
Text of the National Letter of Intent
1. Initial Enrollment in Four-Year Institution.
This NLI is applicable only to prospective student-athletes who will be entering four-year institutions for the first time as full-time students. It is also permissible for 4-2-4 transfers who are graduating from a junior college as outlined in paragraph 8-b to sign the NLI. With the exception of midyear transfer students in football, no prospective student-athlete enrolling at midyear shall sign a NLI.
2. Financial Aid Requirement.
At the time I sign a NLI, I must receive a written offer of athletics financial aid applicable for the entire 2004-2005 academic year from the institution named in this document. A midyear football junior college transfer must receive a written offer of athletics financial aid applicable for the remainder of the 2003-2004 academic year. The award letter shall list the terms and conditions of the award, including the amount and duration of the financial aid. If the stated conditions are not met, this NLI shall be declared null and void, and the institution submitting such a letter shall be in violation of the NLI Program and may be subject to sanctions.
1. Professional Sports Contract.
If I sign a professional sports contract in the sport in which I signed the NLI, I remain bound by the provisions of the NLI in all other sports, even if NCAA rules prohibit the institution named in this document from providing me with athletics financial aid.
3. Provisions of Letter Satisfied.
1. One-year Attendance Requirement Met.
The terms of this NLI shall be satisfied if I attend the institution named in this NLI for at least one academic year.
2. Junior College Graduation.
The terms of this NLI shall be satisfied if I graduate from junior college after signing the NLI either while in high school or during my first year of full-time enrollment in junior college, provided it is not the year I am scheduled to graduate from junior college.
4. 4. Basic Penalty. I understand that if I do not attend the institution named within this document for one full academic year, and I enroll in another institution participating in the NLI program, I may not represent the latter institution in intercollegiate athletics competition until I have completed two full academic years of residence at the latter institution. Further, I understand I shall be charged with the loss of two seasons of intercollegiate athletics competition in all sports, except as otherwise provided in this NLI. This is in addition to any eligibility expended at any institution.
1. Early Signing Period Penalties.
. A prospective student-athlete who signs a NLI during the early signing period (November 12-19, 2003) shall be ineligible for practice and competition in football for a two-year period and also shall be charged with the loss of two seasons of competition in the sport of football.
5. Qualified Release Agreement.
A Qualified Release Agreement shall be provided in the event the institution and I mutually agree to release each other from the NLI provisions. I must sign this form, along with my parent or legal guardian, and the Director of Athletics of the institution named in the document. I am required to file a copy of this Agreement with the conference office that processes this NLI. A Qualified Release Agreement may be obtained from the NLI website at www.national-letter.org/documents/.
1. Authority to Release.
A coach is not authorized to void, cancel or provide any form of release to this NLI.
2. Extent of the Qualified Release Agreement.
The provisions of the Qualified Release Agreement shall apply to all participating institutions and shall not be conditional or selective by institution.
6. Appeal Process.
I understand the NLI Steering Committee has been authorized to issue interpretations, settle disputes and consider petitions for a full release from the provisions of this NLI when extenuating circumstances are determined to exist. I further understand the Steering Committee's decision may be appealed to the NLI Appeals Committee, whose decision shall be final and binding.
7. Letter Becomes Null and Void.
This NLI shall be declared null and void if any of the following occur:
1. Admissions Requirement.
. This NLI shall be declared null and void if the institution with which I signed notifies me in writing that I have been denied admission or, by the opening day of classes has failed to provide me with written notice of admission, provided I have submitted a complete admission application.
1.
It is presumed that I am eligible for admission and financial aid until information is submitted to the contrary. Thus, it is mandatory for me, upon request, to provide a transcript of my previous academic record and an application for admission to the institution named in this NLI.
2.
If I am eligible for admission, but the institution named in this NLI defers admission to a subsequent term, the NLI shall be rendered null and void. However, if I defer my admission, this NLI remains binding.
2. Eligibility Requirements.
This NLI shall be declared null and void if, by the opening day of classes in the fall of 2004, I have not met (a) the institution's requirements for admissions, (b) its academic requirements for financial aid to athletes, or (c) the NCAA requirements for freshman financial aid (NCAA Bylaw 14.3) or the junior college transfer requirements.
1.
If I become a nonqualifier (per NCAA Bylaw 14.3), this NLI shall be rendered null and void.
2.
If I am a midyear junior college football transfer, the NLI remains binding for the following fall term if I was eligible for admission and financial aid and met the junior college transfer requirements for competition for the winter or spring term, but chose to delay my admission.
3. One-Year Absence.
This NLI shall be null and void if I have not attended any institution (or attended an institution, including a junior college, not participating in the NLI Program) for at least one academic year after signing this NLI, provided my request for athletics financial aid for a subsequent fall term is not approved by the institution with which I signed. To receive this waiver, I must file with the appropriate conference commissioner a statement from the director of athletics at the institution named in this document that such financial aid will not be available to me for the requested fall term.
4. Service in the U.S. Armed Forces. Church Mission.
This NLI shall be null and void if I serve on active duty with the armed forces of the United States or on an official church mission for at least eighteen (18) months.
5. Discontinued Sport.
This NLI shall be null and void if the institution named in the document discontinues my sport.
6. Recruiting Rules Violation.
If the institution (or a representative of its athletics interests) named in this document violated NCAA or conference rules while recruiting me, as found through the NCAA or conference enforcement process or acknowledged by the institution, this NLI shall be declared null and void. Such declaration shall not take place until all appeals to the NCAA or conference for restoration of eligibility have been concluded.
8. Only One Valid NLI Permitted.
I understand that I may sign only one valid NLI, except as listed below.
1. Subsequent Signing Year.
If this NLI is rendered null and void under Item 7, I remain free to enroll in any institution of my choice where I am admissible and shall be permitted to sign another NLI in a subsequent signing year.
2. Junior College Exception.
If I signed a NLI while in high school or during my first year of full-time enrollment in junior college, I may sign another NLI in the signing year in which I am scheduled to graduate from junior college. If I graduate, the second NLI shall be binding on me; otherwise, the original NLI I signed shall remain valid.
9. Recruiting Ban After Signing.
I understand all participating conferences and institutions are obligated to respect my signing and shall cease to recruit me upon my signing this NLI. I shall notify any recruiter who contacts me that I have signed. Once I enroll in the institution with which I signed, the provisions of NCAA bylaw 13.1.1.3 shall govern.
10. Institutional Signatures Required Prior to Submission.
This NLI must be signed and dated by the Director of Athletics (or his/her authorized representative) before submission to me and my parents (or legal guardian) for our signatures. This NLI may be mailed prior to the initial signing date. When a NLI is issued prior to the initial signing date, the "date issued" shall be the initial signing date and not the date that the NLI was signed or mailed by the institution.
11. Parent/Guardian Signature Required.
My parent or legal guardian is required to sign this NLI if I am less than 21 years of age at the time of my signing, regardless of my marital status. If I do not have a living parent or a legal guardian, the person who is acting in the capacity of a guardian may sign this NLI. A written explanation of the circumstances shall accompany this NLI.
12. Falsification of NLI.
If I falsify any part of this NLI, or if I have knowledge that my parent or guardian falsified any part of this NLI, I understand I shall forfeit the first two years of my athletics eligibility at any NLI participating institution as outlined in Item 4.
13. 14-Day Signing Deadline.
If my parent or legal guardian and I fail to sign this NLI within 14 days from the date issued, it will be invalid. In that event, another NLI may be issued within the appropriate signing period. (NOTE: This does not apply to the early signing period.)
14. Institutional Filing Deadline.
This NLI must be filed with the appropriate conference by the institution named in this document within 21 days after the date of final signature or it will be invalid. In that event, another NLI may be issued.
15. No Additions or Deletions Allowed to NLI.
No additions or deletions may be made to this NLI or the Qualified Release Agreement.
16. Official Time for Validity.
This NLI shall be considered officially signed on the final date of signature by myself or my parent (or guardian). If no time of day is listed, the time of 11:59 p.m. will be presumed.
17. Statute of Limitations.
This NLI shall carry a four-year statute of limitations.
18. Nullification of Other Agreements.
My signature on this NLI nullifies any agreements, oral or otherwise, which would release me from the conditions stated within this NLI.
19. If Coach Leaves.
I understand I have signed this NLI with the institution and not for a particular sport or individual. If the coach leaves the institution or the sports program, I remain bound by the provisions of this NLI. I understand it is not uncommon for a coach to leave his or her coaching position.
20. Coaching Contact Prohibited at Time of Signing.
A coach or an institutional representative may not hand deliver this NLI off campus or be present off campus at the time I sign it. This NLI may be delivered by express mail, courier service, regular mail or facsimile machine. A NLI transmitted to an institution by facsimile machine shall be considered valid.
Text of the National Letter of Intent
1. Initial Enrollment in Four-Year Institution.
This NLI is applicable only to prospective student-athletes who will be entering four-year institutions for the first time as full-time students. It is also permissible for 4-2-4 transfers who are graduating from a junior college as outlined in paragraph 8-b to sign the NLI. With the exception of midyear transfer students in football, no prospective student-athlete enrolling at midyear shall sign a NLI.
2. Financial Aid Requirement.
At the time I sign a NLI, I must receive a written offer of athletics financial aid applicable for the entire 2004-2005 academic year from the institution named in this document. A midyear football junior college transfer must receive a written offer of athletics financial aid applicable for the remainder of the 2003-2004 academic year. The award letter shall list the terms and conditions of the award, including the amount and duration of the financial aid. If the stated conditions are not met, this NLI shall be declared null and void, and the institution submitting such a letter shall be in violation of the NLI Program and may be subject to sanctions.
1. Professional Sports Contract.
If I sign a professional sports contract in the sport in which I signed the NLI, I remain bound by the provisions of the NLI in all other sports, even if NCAA rules prohibit the institution named in this document from providing me with athletics financial aid.
3. Provisions of Letter Satisfied.
1. One-year Attendance Requirement Met.
The terms of this NLI shall be satisfied if I attend the institution named in this NLI for at least one academic year.
2. Junior College Graduation.
The terms of this NLI shall be satisfied if I graduate from junior college after signing the NLI either while in high school or during my first year of full-time enrollment in junior college, provided it is not the year I am scheduled to graduate from junior college.
4. 4. Basic Penalty. I understand that if I do not attend the institution named within this document for one full academic year, and I enroll in another institution participating in the NLI program, I may not represent the latter institution in intercollegiate athletics competition until I have completed two full academic years of residence at the latter institution. Further, I understand I shall be charged with the loss of two seasons of intercollegiate athletics competition in all sports, except as otherwise provided in this NLI. This is in addition to any eligibility expended at any institution.
1. Early Signing Period Penalties.
. A prospective student-athlete who signs a NLI during the early signing period (November 12-19, 2003) shall be ineligible for practice and competition in football for a two-year period and also shall be charged with the loss of two seasons of competition in the sport of football.
5. Qualified Release Agreement.
A Qualified Release Agreement shall be provided in the event the institution and I mutually agree to release each other from the NLI provisions. I must sign this form, along with my parent or legal guardian, and the Director of Athletics of the institution named in the document. I am required to file a copy of this Agreement with the conference office that processes this NLI. A Qualified Release Agreement may be obtained from the NLI website at www.national-letter.org/documents/.
1. Authority to Release.
A coach is not authorized to void, cancel or provide any form of release to this NLI.
2. Extent of the Qualified Release Agreement.
The provisions of the Qualified Release Agreement shall apply to all participating institutions and shall not be conditional or selective by institution.
6. Appeal Process.
I understand the NLI Steering Committee has been authorized to issue interpretations, settle disputes and consider petitions for a full release from the provisions of this NLI when extenuating circumstances are determined to exist. I further understand the Steering Committee's decision may be appealed to the NLI Appeals Committee, whose decision shall be final and binding.
7. Letter Becomes Null and Void.
This NLI shall be declared null and void if any of the following occur:
1. Admissions Requirement.
. This NLI shall be declared null and void if the institution with which I signed notifies me in writing that I have been denied admission or, by the opening day of classes has failed to provide me with written notice of admission, provided I have submitted a complete admission application.
1.
It is presumed that I am eligible for admission and financial aid until information is submitted to the contrary. Thus, it is mandatory for me, upon request, to provide a transcript of my previous academic record and an application for admission to the institution named in this NLI.
2.
If I am eligible for admission, but the institution named in this NLI defers admission to a subsequent term, the NLI shall be rendered null and void. However, if I defer my admission, this NLI remains binding.
2. Eligibility Requirements.
This NLI shall be declared null and void if, by the opening day of classes in the fall of 2004, I have not met (a) the institution's requirements for admissions, (b) its academic requirements for financial aid to athletes, or (c) the NCAA requirements for freshman financial aid (NCAA Bylaw 14.3) or the junior college transfer requirements.
1.
If I become a nonqualifier (per NCAA Bylaw 14.3), this NLI shall be rendered null and void.
2.
If I am a midyear junior college football transfer, the NLI remains binding for the following fall term if I was eligible for admission and financial aid and met the junior college transfer requirements for competition for the winter or spring term, but chose to delay my admission.
3. One-Year Absence.
This NLI shall be null and void if I have not attended any institution (or attended an institution, including a junior college, not participating in the NLI Program) for at least one academic year after signing this NLI, provided my request for athletics financial aid for a subsequent fall term is not approved by the institution with which I signed. To receive this waiver, I must file with the appropriate conference commissioner a statement from the director of athletics at the institution named in this document that such financial aid will not be available to me for the requested fall term.
4. Service in the U.S. Armed Forces. Church Mission.
This NLI shall be null and void if I serve on active duty with the armed forces of the United States or on an official church mission for at least eighteen (18) months.
5. Discontinued Sport.
This NLI shall be null and void if the institution named in the document discontinues my sport.
6. Recruiting Rules Violation.
If the institution (or a representative of its athletics interests) named in this document violated NCAA or conference rules while recruiting me, as found through the NCAA or conference enforcement process or acknowledged by the institution, this NLI shall be declared null and void. Such declaration shall not take place until all appeals to the NCAA or conference for restoration of eligibility have been concluded.
8. Only One Valid NLI Permitted.
I understand that I may sign only one valid NLI, except as listed below.
1. Subsequent Signing Year.
If this NLI is rendered null and void under Item 7, I remain free to enroll in any institution of my choice where I am admissible and shall be permitted to sign another NLI in a subsequent signing year.
2. Junior College Exception.
If I signed a NLI while in high school or during my first year of full-time enrollment in junior college, I may sign another NLI in the signing year in which I am scheduled to graduate from junior college. If I graduate, the second NLI shall be binding on me; otherwise, the original NLI I signed shall remain valid.
9. Recruiting Ban After Signing.
I understand all participating conferences and institutions are obligated to respect my signing and shall cease to recruit me upon my signing this NLI. I shall notify any recruiter who contacts me that I have signed. Once I enroll in the institution with which I signed, the provisions of NCAA bylaw 13.1.1.3 shall govern.
10. Institutional Signatures Required Prior to Submission.
This NLI must be signed and dated by the Director of Athletics (or his/her authorized representative) before submission to me and my parents (or legal guardian) for our signatures. This NLI may be mailed prior to the initial signing date. When a NLI is issued prior to the initial signing date, the "date issued" shall be the initial signing date and not the date that the NLI was signed or mailed by the institution.
11. Parent/Guardian Signature Required.
My parent or legal guardian is required to sign this NLI if I am less than 21 years of age at the time of my signing, regardless of my marital status. If I do not have a living parent or a legal guardian, the person who is acting in the capacity of a guardian may sign this NLI. A written explanation of the circumstances shall accompany this NLI.
12. Falsification of NLI.
If I falsify any part of this NLI, or if I have knowledge that my parent or guardian falsified any part of this NLI, I understand I shall forfeit the first two years of my athletics eligibility at any NLI participating institution as outlined in Item 4.
13. 14-Day Signing Deadline.
If my parent or legal guardian and I fail to sign this NLI within 14 days from the date issued, it will be invalid. In that event, another NLI may be issued within the appropriate signing period. (NOTE: This does not apply to the early signing period.)
14. Institutional Filing Deadline.
This NLI must be filed with the appropriate conference by the institution named in this document within 21 days after the date of final signature or it will be invalid. In that event, another NLI may be issued.
15. No Additions or Deletions Allowed to NLI.
No additions or deletions may be made to this NLI or the Qualified Release Agreement.
16. Official Time for Validity.
This NLI shall be considered officially signed on the final date of signature by myself or my parent (or guardian). If no time of day is listed, the time of 11:59 p.m. will be presumed.
17. Statute of Limitations.
This NLI shall carry a four-year statute of limitations.
18. Nullification of Other Agreements.
My signature on this NLI nullifies any agreements, oral or otherwise, which would release me from the conditions stated within this NLI.
19. If Coach Leaves.
I understand I have signed this NLI with the institution and not for a particular sport or individual. If the coach leaves the institution or the sports program, I remain bound by the provisions of this NLI. I understand it is not uncommon for a coach to leave his or her coaching position.
20. Coaching Contact Prohibited at Time of Signing.
A coach or an institutional representative may not hand deliver this NLI off campus or be present off campus at the time I sign it. This NLI may be delivered by express mail, courier service, regular mail or facsimile machine. A NLI transmitted to an institution by facsimile machine shall be considered valid.
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gbearbuck
Herbie for President
This is too bad... I wonder when he can retake the ACT. I'd guess if he does better on the test he might get through admissions (unless his GPA took a dive)...
Also, aren't there programs where kids can come in the summer, take a couple of classes, and depending on how they do in those classes be "ok" for the fall???
Or, can they delay his entry until winter quarter (I know he would miss the season.... better that, than losing him for good)...?
Also, aren't there programs where kids can come in the summer, take a couple of classes, and depending on how they do in those classes be "ok" for the fall???
Or, can they delay his entry until winter quarter (I know he would miss the season.... better that, than losing him for good)...?
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AJHawkfan
Wanna make $14 the hard way?
strohs said:
More than likely, yeah, he took it as a junior. I went back and scanned through the entire thread and the first mention of his scores was in September of last year, it said he was going to re-take it in October.
It was posted several times throughout the winter that a 15 would not be good enough to get him past admissions though.
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Prop 48 No Longer a Hurdleol104 said:
[font=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif] Published: Tuesday, November 5, 2002 [/font]
Recently, the NCAA Division I Board of Directors repealed Proposition 48 by voting to eliminate the SAT and Act cutoff scores for eligibility of athletes. While many critics have argued that the new policy will simply make it easier for athletes to get into colleges without being adequately prepared for the coursework, we believe that this is good news for African American students.
It is no secret that Blacks statistically perform poorer on standardized tests such as the SAT and ACT. The NCAA's reform policy will now make classroom performance count more than tests that do not even accurately reflect a student's potential. Moreover, the guidelines for first and second year students will be stricter as a result of the new policy. This way, emphasis is placed on maintaining good academic performance as a college athlete, rather than being an ill-prepared victim of the system.
For many young Black men and women, athletics are used as a vehicle to get a college education. For nearly twenty tears, Prop 48 was a hurdle for students who may have been fully capable of performing well in college, but were unfairly affected by the emphasis put on the SAT and ACT. It was a discriminatory policy in that those of a lower socio-economic status have been proven to perform poorer on such tests - an indication that some students have advantages over others when it comes to standardized testing (namely, whites over blacks).
Classroom performance is a better predictor of college success. By de-emphasizing the importance of standardized tests in acceptance of college athletes, more Blacks will be given the chance to get a college education. Rightfully so, the extended sliding scale will allow those with better classroom performance to compensate for deficient test scores.
We are pleased that the NCAA has recognized that the weight of standardized tests was an inaccurate predictor of college academic performance. Now more athletes will be afforded the opportunity of higher learning. With the torch now more within their grasp, we\'re counting on them to run with it.
Prop 48 changed to Prop 16,
but that was repealed also for discrimination. Here are your current eligibility standards as decided by the NCAA.
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Again, not knowing the full situation, but it is safe to guess that the APR is not the friend of the marginal student-athlete, particularly with schools who have weak APRs (such as OSU).
You can argue about giving folks 'opportunities', but every schollie that is taken from one kid becomes an opportunity for another. If the second in line is stronger academically that is a good thing. The key is to communicate this to the HS athlete when they can still do something about it.
This is a bummer.
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Discussion on this is going on in Lennix's recruiting thread. Normally, a rumor thread would be the way to go, but seeing as he had academic issues prior to signing his NLOI and as such there is a lot of relevent past discussion on this. Probably better to continue the discussion there than in a new rumor thread.
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WyoBuckeye
All-American
A rumor on The Ozone states that Fred Lenix will Grayshirt.http://forums.the-ozone.net/messages/44510.html
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