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Lebron James (Los Angeles Lakers)

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kujirakira said:
Wade and Bosch were great players... and Wade is almost certainly a HoFer. But I can't imagine comparing end-of-career Wade to Pippen. Hell, I doubt there's even a good comparison in Wade's prime. Pippen was pretty amazing even in HoF company and that partnership lasted 10 seasons.
Same with Kyrie and Love at this juncture.
Obviously the original #23 in his prime would have won championships with Miami too... but I doubt MJ would've fared any better than James has in Cleveland.

Also pedantic but LBJ had that opportunity in 2007 as well.
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Depends on when you put him on those teams. Once he busted through...you put him in this watered down shit version of the NBA and the guy would win with this years' Ohio State team.
 
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shiloh said:
How good were Jordan's teammates? '92/'93 after MJ retired to ride the bus in the minor leagues the Bulls were 55-27. The year before w/Jordan '91/'92 they were 57-25. Also shows how good a coach Phil Jackson was.

'nuf said!
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As usual, when people say "nuf said", there's plenty more to be said.

In 92-93 the Bulls were 57-25 and NBA Champs
In 93-94 the Bulls were 55-27
In 94-95 the Bulls were 47-35
In 95-96 the Bulls were 72-10

Let's try to guess when Michael Jordan came back.
 
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BuckeyeNation27 said:
As usual, when people say "nuf said", there's plenty more to be said.

In 92-93 the Bulls were 57-25 and NBA Champs
In 93-94 the Bulls were 55-27
In 94-95 the Bulls were 47-35
In 95-96 the Bulls were 72-10

Let's try to guess when Michael Jordan came back.
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I'm going to go out on a limb and say the Bulls would not have been 72-10 without Jordan.

I win the interwebz :banger:
 
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Bucklion said:
I'm going to go out on a limb and say the Bulls would not have been 72-10 without Jordan.

I win the interwebz :banger:
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Here's all I'm gonna say about it. In my mind, if we were to line up all the greatest players of all time in their primes to have a 7 game series, and you had a draft and I got the first pick... I'd still take Jordan. But, as each year goes by, I feel less and less strongly about that.

(and lets say its regardless of some match up you're going to get.. keep in mind you could still split up Kareem and Wilt, Russell and Olajuwon (or Shaq or whoever you like) at the 5... )
 
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BuckeyeNation27 said:
As usual, when people say "nuf said", there's plenty more to be said.

In 92-93 the Bulls were 57-25 and NBA Champs
In 93-94 the Bulls were 55-27
In 94-95 the Bulls were 47-35
In 95-96 the Bulls were 72-10

Let's try to guess when Michael Jordan came back.
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Then why weren't the Bulls 72-10 in 92/93? If your A+B=C is true.

hmm, maybe the addition of Dennis Rodman/Steve Kerr/Ron Harper/Toni Kukoc/Luc Longley/John Salley helped Jordon achieve those 72 wins. ok, call me crazy! And yes, as Steve Kerr mentioned, there were games in 95/96 that the Bulls should have lost, but Jordan just wouldn't let his team lose as he was on a mission.

btw, never said LeBron was better than MJ, 'cause that's an argument for the ages. But obviously both make their teammates better. It's just a fact MJ had more talented teammates and probably the all-time greatest coach in NBA history!

LeBron took a team w/Hughes/Ilgaukas/Varejao/Gooden in the starting line-up and bench warmers Pavlovic/Jones/Marshall/Gibson to the finals.

that is all ...
 
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shiloh said:
Then why weren't the Bulls 72-10 in 92/93? If your A+B=C is true.

hmm, maybe the addition of Dennis Rodman/Steve Kerr/Ron Harper/Toni Kukoc/Luc Longley/John Salley helped Jordon achieve those 72 wins. ok, call me crazy! And yes, as Steve Kerr mentioned, there were games in 95/96 that the Bulls should have lost, but Jordan just wouldn't let his team lose as he was on a mission.

btw, never said LeBron was better than MJ, 'cause that's an argument for the ages. But obviously both make their teammates better. It's just a fact MJ had more talented teammates and probably the all-time greatest coach in NBA history!

LeBron took a team w/Hughes/Ilgaukas/Varejao/Gooden in the starting line-up and bench warmers Pavlovic/Jones/Marshall/Gibson to the finals.

that is all ...
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(P)reach!
 
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shiloh said:
Then why weren't the Bulls 72-10 in 92/93? If your A+B=C is true.

hmm, maybe the addition of Dennis Rodman/Steve Kerr/Ron Harper/Toni Kukoc/Luc Longley/John Salley helped Jordon achieve those 72 wins. ok, call me crazy! And yes, as Steve Kerr mentioned, there were games in 95/96 that the Bulls should have lost, but Jordan just wouldn't let his team lose as he was on a mission.

btw, never said LeBron was better than MJ, 'cause that's an argument for the ages. But obviously both make their teammates better. It's just a fact MJ had more talented teammates and probably the all-time greatest coach in NBA history!

LeBron took a team w/Hughes/Ilgaukas/Varejao/Gooden in the starting line-up and bench warmers Pavlovic/Jones/Marshall/Gibson to the finals.

that is all ...
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Ah yes....those HOFers like Stever Kerr and Ron Harper. Luc Longley was the key ingredient! 84 year old John Salley was worth 10 wins alone!
 
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kujirakira said:
o.O say what?
I honestly didn't even bother after that... not sure if you're mistaking me for somebody else or what but... never said any such thing
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I read "True, but he probably would've won less." as you referring to Jordan with LBJ's team talent, but in reality you were referring to Jordan winning less without Pippen. Don't see the point since that's an obvious statement, and one that could be made for LBJ having zero titles without Wade, but regardless I was mistaken. Sooooo....

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shiloh said:
We do know what Jordan did w/out talent ... and Phil Jackson.

84/85 38-44
85/86 30-52
86/87 40-42
87/88 50-32
88/89 47-35
89/90 55-27

btw, the Bulls made the playoffs every year even when they won 38 and 30. Also, Pippen arrived in 87/88.

Trivia: 1988/1989, the year Jordon hit the shot over Ehlo to eliminate the Cavs in the playoffs, the Cavs played the Bulls 6 times including the last game of the regular season and the Cavs won all 6. And in the last game IIRC, Wilkens didn't play 4 starters. As it turned out, maybe Lenny should have played all the starters and blown MJ and his Bulls off the floor, 'cause a couple days later they proceeded to lose 3 of 5 and that was that.

Ironically, Doug Collins was fired after the '89 playoffs.

An interesting stat would be to compare MJ and LeBron minutes played per game in the regular season and playoffs and of course Jordan went to the NBA after his Junior season and LeBron came right out of hs to the NBA, so LeBron has a lot more wear and tear on his body now, compared to Jordan at the same age.

Plus Jordan missed most of his second year due to injury.

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Wasn't a diehard fan back in '89, but I did watch that last game as neither team seemed very interested as they knew they would play each other in the playoffs in a couple days.
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http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&p1=jamesle01&p2=jordami01&p3=&p4=&p5=&p6=
 
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shiloh said:
Then why weren't the Bulls 72-10 in 92/93? If your A+B=C is true.

hmm, maybe the addition of Dennis Rodman/Steve Kerr/Ron Harper/Toni Kukoc/Luc Longley/John Salley helped Jordon achieve those 72 wins. ok, call me crazy! And yes, as Steve Kerr mentioned, there were games in 95/96 that the Bulls should have lost, but Jordan just wouldn't let his team lose as he was on a mission.

btw, never said LeBron was better than MJ, 'cause that's an argument for the ages. But obviously both make their teammates better. It's just a fact MJ had more talented teammates and probably the all-time greatest coach in NBA history!

LeBron took a team w/Hughes/Ilgaukas/Varejao/Gooden in the starting line-up and bench warmers Pavlovic/Jones/Marshall/Gibson to the finals.

that is all ...
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If you're going to say that, you also need to account for a watered-down league that also has allowed players who went both straight from high school as well as only one year from college.

The NBA is entirely different now than in the 80s and 90s. The NBA back then was much more physical.
 
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