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Losing Early, Now What Needs to Happen - 2010 Chaos Theory

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Yertle;1799970; said:
No. We need Wisconsin to lose another one too.
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Maybe, maybe not. 3-way tiebreaker between tOSU-Wiscy-Sparty would go to the highest BCS ranking.

I think 1-loss tOSU would be ahead of 1-loss Wiscy in the computers - the human votes, who knows?
 
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Buckeneye;1799975; said:
Hawaii begs to differ....
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2 points...

1. nice edit on the original quote.... (USC, a team that can run the ball AND can play defense)

2. there is a key word in there.... CAN... not HAS


Let's hope they turn it into DID


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BB73;1799973; said:
Maybe, maybe not. 3-way tiebreaker between tOSU-Wiscy-Sparty would go to the highest BCS ranking.

I think 1-loss tOSU would be ahead of 1-loss Wiscy in the computers - the human votes, who knows?
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I thought that was only the case if everyone's head-to-head was equal. In our case with a potential MSU/Wisky/OSU tie, we would be 0-1 in the head-to-head, and MSU would be 1-0 (with Wisky 1-1). Therefore, MSU gets the nod, independent of BCS standings.

Again, just my understanding, but I could very well be wrong in this.
 
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Yertle;1800199; said:
I thought that was only the case if everyone's head-to-head was equal. In our case with a potential MSU/Wisky/OSU tie, we would be 0-1 in the head-to-head, and MSU would be 1-0 (with Wisky 1-1). Therefore, MSU gets the nod, independent of BCS standings.

Again, just my understanding, but I could very well be wrong in this.
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Your understanding is incorrect - I posted the 3-way tiebreaker rules in 2 different threads a week ago in an attempt to avoid this confusion.

Below are the rules for the 3-way tiebreaker.

If tOSU-Sparty-Wiscy all tie with 1-loss, it goes to BCS standings because they don't all play each other and they have the same overall record.

Big.Ten.Tiebreaker

  1. If more than two teams tie for the championship, the same selection procedures shall be followed with the following exceptions:
  2. If three teams are tied, and if one team defeated both of the other teams, then that team shall be the representative.
  3. If three teams are still tied, and if two of the three teams defeated the third team, the third team is eliminated, and the remaining two teams shall revert to the two-team tie procedure.
  4. If three teams are still tied, and there is a tie game between two of the three teams, or if two or all three of the teams did not play each other, the representative shall be determined on a percentage basis of all games played.
  5. If three teams are still tied, and one of the three teams is eliminated through the percentage basis of all games played, the remaining two teams shall revert to the two-team tie procedure.
  6. If three teams are still tied, and all three teams have the same winning percentage of all games played, the highest-ranked team in the final BCS standings shall be the representative.
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Yertle;1800199; said:
I thought that was only the case if everyone's head-to-head was equal. In our case with a potential MSU/Wisky/OSU tie, we would be 0-1 in the head-to-head, and MSU would be 1-0 (with Wisky 1-1). Therefore, MSU gets the nod, independent of BCS standings.

Again, just my understanding, but I could very well be wrong in this.
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You can't use head to head as a tie breaker when two of the teams did not play eachother. Plus, with a 3 way tie where each team only has 1 loss and each team did play eachother, you could only have a scenario where team A beat team B who beat team C who beat Team A.
 
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Steve19;1799874; said:
The big problems on our SOS are called Marshall and Eastern Michigan. Marshall could win as many as three of the final five, or lose them all. Eastern Michigan is probably not going to win again. Minnesota also is unlikely to win more than one game this year. One of these losers on the schedule is not going to help your SOS. All of them are poison.
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This.

The whole thing looks totally different if we didn't have all 3 of these, as Steve said, losers on our schedule. They have been, and will keep killing us. But, like has been said over and over, we need a Wisky and Sparty loss to be completely comfortable, regardless of these SOS issues. Win, and have these teams lose, and thats as good as possible.

Go Bucks!
 
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JBaney45;1799319; said:
We really need a sticky on this issue.
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The Big Ten tiebreaker info has been in a sticky thread in the college football forum since October 17th. BCS Selection procedures.

I updated the Big Ten tiebreaker rules and scenarios in that therad, stuck it and closed it, so the meaningful and accurate info wouldn't slide behind pages of speculation snd misinformation. I've now updated the last post with info based on this week's results. That's where current info on the Big Ten tiebreaker situation can be easily found.

Also, the first post in that thread contains the BCS Selection procedures, so it can be referenced for things such as which bowls pick in which sequence, and under what conditions does the Rose Bowl have to take a non-AQ team.

This 'chaos' thread has traditionlly been used to track what's necessary for tOSU to have a shot at the BCS Title Game. Lately this thread has been used for discussion of the Big Ten Title chase. That discussion really belongs in the Big Ten Discussion thread, which has also had the tiebreaker info in it for the last 10 days. I'm not going to bother moving stuff around, though, since there is a lot of overlap in the discussion.
 
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BB73;1800460; said:
This 'chaos' thread has traditionlly been used to track what's necessary for tOSU to have a shot at the BCS Title Game. Lately this thread has been used for discussion of the Big Ten Title chase. That discussion really belongs in the Big Ten Discussion thread, which has also had the tiebreaker info in it for the last 10 days. I'm not going to bother moving stuff around, though, since there is a lot of overlap in the discussion.
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I think the confusion this year is that we need Chaos just to get to the Rose.
 
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Yertle;1800608; said:
I think probably the best scenario would be to go back in time and actually play good football in Madison during the first half. Let's give that a try.
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I'm game:

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