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Fuck McGwire. This isn't simply some victimless crime. He lied to everybody, held the country on the edge of their seat in '98 under false pretenses. He and everyone else in the majors that does steroids has set a terrible example for America's youth. And they have made it so that others in the majors will have to choose between mediocrity or stardom with lifelong health problems if they want to compete with players on 'roids. I don't feel sorry for McGwire, and I'm even more pissed off that he doesn't have the nuts to apologize to the American people for cheating. Oh, that's because his nuts are shriveled up.
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Alan
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stadiumdorm....
would you not take steroids if someone paid you $10 mill a year to do it???
the problem isnt steroids its the idiot baseball fan that gets a woody over a homerun (like tibor)....and completely ignores the guy grounding out to second with a runner on second and nobody out....
the FANS are the ones who are truly to blame b/c they only care about seeing the quick highlight on sportscenter every night....
would you not take steroids if someone paid you $10 mill a year to do it???
the problem isnt steroids its the idiot baseball fan that gets a woody over a homerun (like tibor)....and completely ignores the guy grounding out to second with a runner on second and nobody out....
the FANS are the ones who are truly to blame b/c they only care about seeing the quick highlight on sportscenter every night....
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I don't know how anyone could feel sorry for McGwire at all....that said, he either got terrible advice or didn't take any, because that statement he gave was terrible. If he was attempting to deflect anything, he failed miserably.
It may be the fans who like the home run, but using steroids is illegal (not just in the game), so if they made that decision...then they have to live with it and face the consequences, if there end up being any.
As far as congress goes, well, what do you expect? Athletes may be the only people in the country who have an easier life than they do, so naturally they are going to tee off on them.
It may be the fans who like the home run, but using steroids is illegal (not just in the game), so if they made that decision...then they have to live with it and face the consequences, if there end up being any.
As far as congress goes, well, what do you expect? Athletes may be the only people in the country who have an easier life than they do, so naturally they are going to tee off on them.
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No, I would not. I value my health more than a bling automobile or a big house with 80 bathrooms. The better question would be would I allow myself to be run out of the sport that I love, that I was born to play because I couldn't compete with the roidheads? That's a tougher one. But that's the steroids problem perpetuating itself. To compete with these guys, and to get into/stay in the show, you could feel pressured to stick a syringe in your ass like Giambi or Bonds. To that end, I admire those that resist the pressure, and admonish those that can't. But, I can't answer right now whether or not I could choose between health and lifelong dream. I can say, however, that money would not be a factor in my decision.
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JohnnyCockfight
Beer is God's proof that he loves us.
Alan said:
The issue here is not whether the fans broke a few rules, or took a few liberties with our female party guests; we did.
But you can't hold a whole nation of fans responsible for the behavior of a few sick, perverted individuals. For if you do, then shouldn't we blame the whole MLB system? And if the whole MLB system is guilty, then isn't this an indictment of our sports institutions in general?
I put it to you, Alan! Isn't this an indictment of our entire American society? Well, you can do what you want to us, but we're not going to sit here and listen to you bad-mouth the United States of America! Gentlemen!
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CPD
[FONT=arial,sans-serif][FONT=arial,sans-serif]BASEBALL [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=arial,sans-serif][FONT=arial,sans-serif]Suspicions taint McGwire's numbers to merit Hall vote [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=arial,sans-serif][FONT=arial,sans-serif]Sunday, November 26, 2006[/FONT][/FONT][FONT=arial,sans-serif][FONT=arial,sans-serif]Bill Livingston[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=arial,sans-serif][FONT=arial,sans-serif]Plain Dealer Columnist [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=arial,sans-serif][FONT=arial,sans-serif]Absolutely, Mark McGwire belongs in the Baseball Hall of Fame. [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=arial,sans-serif][FONT=arial,sans-serif] As soon as "Shoeless" Joe Jackson and the 1919 Black Sox get in. [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=arial,sans-serif][FONT=arial,sans-serif] As soon as Arnold Rothstein, the man behind the fix, gets in as a "special contributor." [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=arial,sans-serif][FONT=arial,sans-serif] This would also open the door for Bud Selig, Commissioner of Cluelessness, and Donald Fehr, labor boss and defender of the right of a man to wreck his kidneys, bloat his head, and pimple his back through steroid abuse if he wants to. Selig and Fehr should get their due as enablers of the second-biggest scandal to hit the game, particularly Fehr. [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=arial,sans-serif][FONT=arial,sans-serif] The "no" vote cast here by not putting a check by McGwire's name on the 2007 ballot is probably an empty gesture. Most baseball writers seem to favor inclusion of McGwire, Barry Bonds, Sammy Sosa, the whole suspicious lot of them. "Look at the numbers!" they say. [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=arial,sans-serif][FONT=arial,sans-serif] Isn't it funny that these champions of empiricism didn't believe their own eyes when McGwire was Andro Boy, morphing like David Banner after he got agitated into the Incredible Hulk? [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=arial,sans-serif][FONT=arial,sans-serif] McGwire's numbers were almost certainly tainted. If you can't prove that to the last squirt from the tube or bottle of "the cream" and "the clear," designer steroids that became the rage, compare the physiques of McGwire, Sosa and Bonds to great sluggers like Mike Schmidt of a quarter-century ago, or to Willie Mays and Hank Aaron before him. Hard work and dedication can only do so much. As they say in dope-plagued track and field, it comes down to the doctor. [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=arial,sans-serif][FONT=arial,sans-serif] If McGwire used only androstenedione, a legal muscle-building supplement, why did the cat get his tongue in the congressional hearings? Unlike Rafael Palmeiro, maybe McGwire knew how to spell "perjury." [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=arial,sans-serif][FONT=arial,sans-serif] It was a comic book era, with "superheroes" who trashed the most revered records in the game and re-wrote the record book in graffiti. The whistle-blower, Jose Canseco, was cast as a villain in the first wave of player indignation. Baseball's "Batmen" sure hated "The Needler." Yet he seemed to be the only honest man in a corrupt game ready to defile its history and standards in the name of money. [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=arial,sans-serif][FONT=arial,sans-serif] This is a minority opinion, but the revulsion felt here was total. [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=arial,sans-serif][FONT=arial,sans-serif] The McGwire backers say he and Sosa saved the game in 1998. But the price was its integrity. [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=arial,sans-serif][FONT=arial,sans-serif] The McGwire backers say Gaylord Perry and others cheated, too. But not in a systematic attempt to erase the memories of the 1994 strike, to make the turnstiles spin, and to break heirloom records with mad science. [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=arial,sans-serif][FONT=arial,sans-serif] The McGwire backers say he and Sosa gave many fans a lot of joy. But the source of the joy was fraudulent. They sold history when it was really hoax. They sold greatness when it was really chemistry. They sold dawn when it was really the dark side of midnight. [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=arial,sans-serif][FONT=arial,sans-serif] Every faction in the game shared the demented vision - the owners and the players, the media and the fans. It was a disturbed and disturbing fantasy league. No one wanted to know. No one wanted to stop believing in the wizard. [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=arial,sans-serif][FONT=arial,sans-serif] Their numbers will stand because the game was a cheater's paradise with no testing for dopers at the time. But let their numbers be their only possession. Let them gain no other honors. Let them bear the suspicions their numbers fostered. [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=arial,sans-serif][FONT=arial,sans-serif]BASEBALL [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=arial,sans-serif][FONT=arial,sans-serif]Suspicions taint McGwire's numbers to merit Hall vote [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=arial,sans-serif][FONT=arial,sans-serif]Sunday, November 26, 2006[/FONT][/FONT][FONT=arial,sans-serif][FONT=arial,sans-serif]Bill Livingston[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=arial,sans-serif][FONT=arial,sans-serif]Plain Dealer Columnist [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=arial,sans-serif][FONT=arial,sans-serif]Absolutely, Mark McGwire belongs in the Baseball Hall of Fame. [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=arial,sans-serif][FONT=arial,sans-serif] As soon as "Shoeless" Joe Jackson and the 1919 Black Sox get in. [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=arial,sans-serif][FONT=arial,sans-serif] As soon as Arnold Rothstein, the man behind the fix, gets in as a "special contributor." [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=arial,sans-serif][FONT=arial,sans-serif] This would also open the door for Bud Selig, Commissioner of Cluelessness, and Donald Fehr, labor boss and defender of the right of a man to wreck his kidneys, bloat his head, and pimple his back through steroid abuse if he wants to. Selig and Fehr should get their due as enablers of the second-biggest scandal to hit the game, particularly Fehr. [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=arial,sans-serif][FONT=arial,sans-serif] The "no" vote cast here by not putting a check by McGwire's name on the 2007 ballot is probably an empty gesture. Most baseball writers seem to favor inclusion of McGwire, Barry Bonds, Sammy Sosa, the whole suspicious lot of them. "Look at the numbers!" they say. [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=arial,sans-serif][FONT=arial,sans-serif] Isn't it funny that these champions of empiricism didn't believe their own eyes when McGwire was Andro Boy, morphing like David Banner after he got agitated into the Incredible Hulk? [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=arial,sans-serif][FONT=arial,sans-serif] McGwire's numbers were almost certainly tainted. If you can't prove that to the last squirt from the tube or bottle of "the cream" and "the clear," designer steroids that became the rage, compare the physiques of McGwire, Sosa and Bonds to great sluggers like Mike Schmidt of a quarter-century ago, or to Willie Mays and Hank Aaron before him. Hard work and dedication can only do so much. As they say in dope-plagued track and field, it comes down to the doctor. [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=arial,sans-serif][FONT=arial,sans-serif] If McGwire used only androstenedione, a legal muscle-building supplement, why did the cat get his tongue in the congressional hearings? Unlike Rafael Palmeiro, maybe McGwire knew how to spell "perjury." [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=arial,sans-serif][FONT=arial,sans-serif] It was a comic book era, with "superheroes" who trashed the most revered records in the game and re-wrote the record book in graffiti. The whistle-blower, Jose Canseco, was cast as a villain in the first wave of player indignation. Baseball's "Batmen" sure hated "The Needler." Yet he seemed to be the only honest man in a corrupt game ready to defile its history and standards in the name of money. [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=arial,sans-serif][FONT=arial,sans-serif] This is a minority opinion, but the revulsion felt here was total. [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=arial,sans-serif][FONT=arial,sans-serif] The McGwire backers say he and Sosa saved the game in 1998. But the price was its integrity. [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=arial,sans-serif][FONT=arial,sans-serif] The McGwire backers say Gaylord Perry and others cheated, too. But not in a systematic attempt to erase the memories of the 1994 strike, to make the turnstiles spin, and to break heirloom records with mad science. [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=arial,sans-serif][FONT=arial,sans-serif] The McGwire backers say he and Sosa gave many fans a lot of joy. But the source of the joy was fraudulent. They sold history when it was really hoax. They sold greatness when it was really chemistry. They sold dawn when it was really the dark side of midnight. [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=arial,sans-serif][FONT=arial,sans-serif] Every faction in the game shared the demented vision - the owners and the players, the media and the fans. It was a disturbed and disturbing fantasy league. No one wanted to know. No one wanted to stop believing in the wizard. [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=arial,sans-serif][FONT=arial,sans-serif] Their numbers will stand because the game was a cheater's paradise with no testing for dopers at the time. But let their numbers be their only possession. Let them gain no other honors. Let them bear the suspicions their numbers fostered. [/FONT][/FONT]
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AJC
McGwire Sculpture Remains Under Wraps
By CHRISTOPHER LEONARD
Associated Press Writer
WRIGHT CITY, Mo. ? A bronze statue forged to honor slugger Mark McGwire is built to last forever. The only question is whether it ever will see the light of day.
The Cardinals commissioned the statue after McGwire hit 70 homers in 1998, obliterating Roger Maris' 37-year-old record. There's a place set aside for it alongside other mini-monuments to Cardinals legends outside Busch Stadium.
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McGwire Sculpture Remains Under Wraps
By CHRISTOPHER LEONARD
Associated Press Writer
WRIGHT CITY, Mo. ? A bronze statue forged to honor slugger Mark McGwire is built to last forever. The only question is whether it ever will see the light of day.
The Cardinals commissioned the statue after McGwire hit 70 homers in 1998, obliterating Roger Maris' 37-year-old record. There's a place set aside for it alongside other mini-monuments to Cardinals legends outside Busch Stadium.
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ScriptOhio
Everybody is somebody else's weirdo.
Fan who caught McGwire's 70th happy he cashed in
ST. LOUIS (AP) -- Catching Mark McGwire's 70th home run ball made Phil Ozersky a rich man. His advice to the lucky fan who snares Barry Bonds' 756th: Take the money. "Do what's right for you," Ozersky said while taking in Bonds' chase for Hank Aaron's home run record from the Busch Stadium press box. "But I definitely am happy with what I did."
"I benefited financially, but a lot of other people benefited, too."
A lot has changed for Ozersky since he cashed in on a lucky bounce that left the prize ball in his grasp on the final day of the 1998 season. Comic book auteur Todd McFarland paid $3 million for the ball and Ozersky, then a 26-year-old genetic researcher at Washington University in St. Louis, took home $2.7 million after paying a $300,000 auction commission.
Ozersky is married now, and with two young daughters, ages 4 and 2. He's traveled the world and moved into a larger house in the St. Louis suburbs.
But the windfall hasn't gone to his head. He's still working the same job at the school's genome sequencing center and married the woman who accompanied him to a luxury box just above the left field wall in old Busch Stadium. He chose his new residence largely because his sister lives across the street and has a 13-year-old daughter who can babysit. And rather than pocket all of the money, he's spread the wealth, donating $250,000 to charities including the Cardinals' own Cardinal Care.
Entire article: Fan who caught McGwire's 70th happy he cashed in - MLB - Yahoo! Sports
ST. LOUIS (AP) -- Catching Mark McGwire's 70th home run ball made Phil Ozersky a rich man. His advice to the lucky fan who snares Barry Bonds' 756th: Take the money. "Do what's right for you," Ozersky said while taking in Bonds' chase for Hank Aaron's home run record from the Busch Stadium press box. "But I definitely am happy with what I did."
"I benefited financially, but a lot of other people benefited, too."
A lot has changed for Ozersky since he cashed in on a lucky bounce that left the prize ball in his grasp on the final day of the 1998 season. Comic book auteur Todd McFarland paid $3 million for the ball and Ozersky, then a 26-year-old genetic researcher at Washington University in St. Louis, took home $2.7 million after paying a $300,000 auction commission.
Ozersky is married now, and with two young daughters, ages 4 and 2. He's traveled the world and moved into a larger house in the St. Louis suburbs.
But the windfall hasn't gone to his head. He's still working the same job at the school's genome sequencing center and married the woman who accompanied him to a luxury box just above the left field wall in old Busch Stadium. He chose his new residence largely because his sister lives across the street and has a 13-year-old daughter who can babysit. And rather than pocket all of the money, he's spread the wealth, donating $250,000 to charities including the Cardinals' own Cardinal Care.
Entire article: Fan who caught McGwire's 70th happy he cashed in - MLB - Yahoo! Sports
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Zurp
I have misplaced my pants.
ScriptOhio;878172; said:
Good point. If you're going to sell something like that, I'd imagine that the novelty of the ball would wear off. I'd guess that the most you're going to get for it is right away. If I had Bonds's 765th (or whatever) I think I'd sell it right away. If it turns out that he's been juicing all these years, the price of that ball is going to plummet. Get your money when it's at it's most valuable.
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