Miller vs Pryor vs Smith

[yt6]

OK, so in the past decade for the Bucks, three quarterback that are often compared. I would like your take on who is, or projecting Miller forward, who will be the best of the three.

I believe that Pryor was a better quarterback and overall more productive than Troy Smith. Before you shrug me off.

Smith Passing Rushing
Statistics Att Comp Pct Yds TD Int Rating Att Yds Avg TD
2006 311 203 65.3 2,542 30 6 161.9 72 204 2.8 1

Pryor Passing Rushing
Statistics Att Comp Pct Yds TD Int Ratin Att Yds Avg TD
2010 323 210 65.0 2,772 27 11 157.9 135 754 5.6 4

Miller (2012 3 gm) Passing Rushing
Statistics Att Comp Pct Yds TD Int Rating Att Yds Avg TD
2012 78 48 61.5 611 7 2 151.8 56 377 6.7 5


If I have to pick one of these three in a huge Bucks game, I am taking Pryor. People cant believe his completion percentage was the same as Smith, He threw for more yard, ran for more yard and ran for more TD than Smith. I think Miller could pass them both.

How about you?

 

[FCollinsBuckeye]

While this can be an interesting debate, I don't like thinking about it. One almost certainly must agree with you regarding Pryor's efficiency and overall gameplay, which makes the question "what could've been had Pryor played his senior season?" all the more depressing.

:ohwell:

I guess I can just say I hope Braxton eclipses them both - which isn't too far fetched...

 

[SEREbuckeye]

Interesting debate.

I would only challenge your question with going off of stats from each players second season starting. So it would be Smith's 2005 stats being compared.

 

[scott91575]

Interesting debate.

I would only challenge your question with going off of stats from each players second season starting. So it would be Smith's 2005 stats being compared.

It would also be Pryor's 2009 stats. That would make it fair to Braxton from this year.

In the end, it's all apples to oranges and no real answer.

 

[WyoBuck]

Without looking at the stats, I would think it would be more effective to look at the body of work between Smith and Pryor. They both started for 3 years. That 's more like tangerines and oranges. Obviously, Miller won't have comparable stats yet, but Initially you stated that your opinion was that Pryor was a better QB than Smith. One of the things that perhaps doesn't get enough attention was Smith's decision making ability comparatively to Pryor's as evidenced by the TD to INT ratio. It would also be interesting to see how many "big plays" each had overall, and then break it down further by through the air or on the ground. I guess by big play, and I am just arbitrarily picking this number, I mean plays of over 50 yards. It could be 40, 60, whatever, just another metric.

 

[HorseshoeFetish]

In three games against Michigan, Smith has a total of 1,151 yards of total offense, two rushing touchdowns, and seven passing touchdowns. The Buckeyes won all three games, making Smith the first Ohio State quarterback since Tippy Dye (1934?1936) to quarterback in three victories over Michigan, and the first to win three straight games against Michigan as a starter.

TROY SMITH. Not even close at this point.


When Brax has three straight wins over the scummers we can talk about this.

 

[Mariotwins]

TROY SMITH. Not even close at this point.


When Brax has three straight wins over the scummers we can talk about this.

So after the B1G championship game next year?

 

[Honor&Glory]

TROY SMITH. Not even close at this point.


When Brax has three straight wins over the scummers we can talk about this.

I agree. There is more to playing the position than just raw numbers. Smith had the 'IT' factor. He has a Heisman to go along with it, too.

I think Braxton will be comparable to Smith at the end of his Ohio State career with big bowl wins, multiple wins over the skunk bears and a lot of personal hardware.

And, quite possibley, a national championship.

 

[Mariotwins]

a national championship or 2.

Fixed

 

[cincibuck]

I like the 'off-field' Miller better than the other two.

All three were/are exciting to watch, all three had limitations, especially in terms of passing, but Smith and Pryor had a much better set of receivers to work with, and better running backs too.

The only complete year we have on Miller is a year of turmoil and possibly the worst O line play in the years covered.

Funny, all three got to start because other older, less mobile, QBs couldn't avoid sacks and their O lines couldn't protect them.

 

[Apache]

We are comparing: "what ifs". Teammates-opponents-schedule etc come into play.

But it is really good debate.

For me at this point (another what if) I would choose Troy Smith.

Down the road when Miller is a finished product, it might be he,

But TP wasnt bad either.

For me it really comes down to the moment in time.

 

[Buckeye86]

No love for Todd Boeckman?

 

[NFBuck]

Big game? Give me Troy Smith. His performances against scUM are legendary. Also had a monster game against ND in the Fiesta Bowl. I know TP was also 3-0 vs. scUM, but he beat three of the worst scUM teams of my lifetime. I also know about the debacle in the desert, but I think that was a team effort.

 

[Zurp]

No love for Todd Boeckman?

I'm definitely a fan, but I'd have to put him at #4 if you put him in that list.

I think it's too early to consider Braxton Miller against the other two guys. Stats are stats, and are great at times, but when I pick a quarterback, I'm going to go off of what he could or couldn't do, and what he did or didn't do. Miller has a ways to go before I can compare him to Smith or Pryor.
(Prove me wrong, Braxton.)

But Smith vs. Pryor is a good question. Smith was the better passer by far, and that is no knock on Pryor. Pryor was the better runner by far, and that is no knock on Smith. They each had games where they "willed" their team to win - Smith over M*ch*gan in 2005 and Pryor over Wisconsin in 2008 and over Iowa in 2010, among others for both. They each had stints at other positions - Smith returned kicks in 2003, and Pryor played wide receiver a few plays in the Fiesta Bowl against Texas.

I'd say that Pryor would be my vote had he stayed one more year. But he didn't. Plus, Smith won a Heisman, which I think SHOULDN'T affect my vote, but it's the only thing I can think of that can sway anything. Plus, I can't think of any games that Smith lost for Ohio State. The 2009 game at Purdue smelled bad from everyone - including Pryor.

I'm going to say Smith by a nose.

 

[AKAK]

I think the more important question, and this is judging by what we think Braxton can and will do... is... who is the last OSU QB you'd take over any one of these 3 guys? (And I mean that in the talent/field impact sense, not in the "well, TP was a lunatic, etc, etc, I'd rather have Stanley Jackson because he was a nice guy, kind of way)

I guess my larger point is, and this isn't to come across as a Tressel apologist by any means, that I think the overall growth in that position is a huge step forward for our program that I think will continue. (And it kind of illustrates the old, "well if we run a certain type of offense we won't be able to get players X, Y, or Z)

And from my perspective, the answer is probably currently incarcerated, unfortunately (on a lot of levels)