NCAA may adopt new academic standards

[ORD_Buckeye]

All I say is, there's a lot more involved in academic outcomes than simple intelligence.

I agree. It has a lot less to do with innate intelligence than it has to do with shitty environment: Shitty schools, shitty parents, shitty friends and shitty neighborhoods.

The end result, however, is the same. More minority football and basketball players end up at universities where they are woefully unprepared to compete with the student body than do whites.

 

[scott91575]

I wasn't saying you personally, but rather anyone who says raising academic standards hinders minorities implies minorities aren't as smart.

Actually, no, it doesn't. It is a statement on their education up to the that point and their support structure. I could go into a very long discussion on why it doesn't say they are less intelligent, but instead states they have had fewer opportunities.

Anyway, I am not saying I am for it. Just stating you simplified something that is not simple. It's like saying someone with a 3.8 GPA is smarter than someone with a 3.7 GPA. Yet then I tell you the guy with a 3.8 GPA has expensive tutors, came from a prestigious prep school, doesn't work, and has very strong family support while the guy with a 3.7 GPA comes from a broken home, inner city public school, and works 40 hours a week on the side in order to pay for his education, are you still saying the guy with a 3.8 is smarter? Your statement is waaaaay too simple.

 

[MaxBuck]

I really don't see the purpose or value of this proposal. It will have the effect of deterring, rather than encouraging, minority involvement in varsity collegiate sports. That isn't an outcome that I believe is worth pursuing.

The only "positive" outcome I see is the ability for a bunch of NCAA nabobs to hold their noses in the air and claim they are all about the academics. Yet so many pieces of evidence exist that they are all about self-preservation and money grabbing. Pfui.

 

[Hodgepodge]

I really don't see the purpose or value of this proposal. It will have the effect of deterring, rather than encouraging, minority involvement in varsity collegiate sports. That isn't an outcome that I believe is worth pursuing.

The only "positive" outcome I see is the ability for a bunch of NCAA nabobs to hold their noses in the air and claim they are all about the academics. Yet so many pieces of evidence exist that they are all about self-preservation and money grabbing. Pfui.

If the NCAA was all about self-preservation and money grabbing, wouldn't they lower the standards and make it easier for kids to get into school and stay eligible?

And couldn't it be possible that given time, raising the standards would make it so more minority athletes who make it to college would be better prepared? When the NCAA raised the minimum GPA from 2.0 to 2.5 back in the 90s, I heard this same argument, and admittedly, in the short term there were a lot more minority (and non-minority) athletes who couldn't get into school, or at least sit out a year. Yet, in time the amount of kids who were coming into college with 2.5 GPAs was similar to that who were getting in several years earlier with a 2.0. Guys like Chuck Jones would never have a chance if the GPA requirement was 1.5, 2.0, or 2.5, but I'd be willing to bet that Orlando Pace, who entered OSU with 2.0 GPA, would have been able to get to a 2.5 if he entered Sandusky High as a freshman knowing he had to do so to be eligible to play as a freshman.