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New Future trend for OSU Coaches or just coincidence? Question for the Experts?

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StoRMinBrutus

StoRMinBrutus

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These past two games have shown some improvements on the offensive lines' production. One can argue that it was only against Indiana and Penn State but if you watched the games you'd see that they seemed more agressive and at least tried to knock the piss outta the opponent instead of worrying about making mistakes. There were still a few missed blocks but there was an improvment. Hopefully that is a direct result to Bollman taking a back seat to the offensive line and that John Peterson is taking over. One can only pray.

I also have noticed a huge effort in recruiting top notched Offensive linemen these past two years. OSU's coaches seem to be going back to the basics with the logic of beating opponents in the trenches (maybe not this year but soon). OSU has been lacking that for about three or four years now. Given the recent improvement on effort for the O-line and of the implications that Peterson is taking a bigger role with the offensive linemen. I think the future of OSU is looking so much better. It may or may not happen this year, but soon OSU will be able to put any decent runningback in the backfield and he will do well. That philosophy looks alot like what Alvarez has done up in Wisconsin and also what the Denver Broncos have always done. They first concentrated getting the best Offensive line and then worried about the other "STAR" positions.

Am I being too optimistic or do you think OSU need to break through and get some of these top notched "star" at other position before OSU can be thought of in the same light as some of the other Elite teams?? I sure would LOVE to get some of these top notched RB's and QB's and WR's but I guess I will always think like a lineman and abide by the saying "games are won or lost in the trenches" ...
 
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Talent isn't our issue at O line, it is coaching. The last two years we had one of the most talented o lines, player for player, in the country. But they played poorly because they were coached poorly. 3 of our linemen from last yers team are playing regularly int he NFL and two start, so we had talented guys. Even if we get the top linemen in the country, they still need to be coached better.
 
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Am I being too optimistic or do you think OSU need to break through and get some of these top notched "star" at other position before OSU can be thought of in the same light as some of the other Elite teams??
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This line bothers me a LOT. We are having a down year. We ARE one of those elite teams already guy. We are still the last team to win an undisputed NC, the last team to go undefeated, and if you take a look at the recruiting we are obviously considered one the top schools in the country by all these young men who want to play in BUCKEYE NATION.
 
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I have noticed the improvement too, and it is not because of who we are playing. It is a slight change in technique. The line is actually moving forward at the snap instead of that slight hesitation side step. Hopefully it is the coaching realizing that zone blocking is better done when you fire off the snap instead of square dancing.

But the talent is there... the problem is the talent is in the true and redshirt freshman on the team. No OLine would be good starting that many young players. Like I have said before... the OLine we see here is Tressel's first attempts of transforming the OLine to how he wants to see it. The problem is it took him a year or two to transition from 1AA to 1A on that front to get good at it. The pipeline is just starting to get back to normal, unfortunately we have to wait another year or two to really see it kick in when these guys get experience.

But why do I get this sense the way Tressel answers the "Why don't you hire an offensive coordinator" is going to be this...

Bollman gets promoted to Offensive Coordinator and Peterson will now coach OL/TE. I just sense that is the way Tressel will handle any coaching changes. Would this satisfy us?
 
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I think that Bollman is already technically classified as the OC...
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Well there is nothing technical about it. He doesnt call the plays but he is the one that is responsible for designing them. Its Bollman's playbook that Tressel is uses to select from. I still don't think Bollman will be here next year.
 
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This comment I am going to make probably deserves its own thread for discussion but let me just say that I am very concerned with the way Coach T runs the offense. Our offense has become below average and ultra conservative and it is getting worse.

My question to you is this going to have an effect on recruiting skill players when they look at a game like the one vs MSU where we threw the ball just eight times the whole game? What top QB is going to want to come here to develop the skills to get to the NFL? It really concerns me.
 
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Well Krenzel had his 1st NFL start and won. He was the last OSU QB to graduate. So that theory is stupid.

There is only one team that has put more guys in the NFL in the last 3-4 years. The Hurricanes have a few more guys than us.

I don't care what anybody says PSU has the 7th best defense in the country. We ran the ball on a very very good PSU defense.
 
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StoRMinBrutus said:
These past two games have shown some improvements on the offensive lines' production. One can argue that it was only against Indiana and Penn State but if you watched the games you'd see that they seemed more agressive and at least tried to knock the piss outta the opponent instead of worrying about making mistakes. There were still a few missed blocks but there was an improvment. Hopefully that is a direct result to Bollman taking a back seat to the offensive line and that John Peterson is taking over. One can only pray.

I also have noticed a huge effort in recruiting top notched Offensive linemen these past two years. OSU's coaches seem to be going back to the basics with the logic of beating opponents in the trenches (maybe not this year but soon). OSU has been lacking that for about three or four years now. Given the recent improvement on effort for the O-line and of the implications that Peterson is taking a bigger role with the offensive linemen. I think the future of OSU is looking so much better. It may or may not happen this year, but soon OSU will be able to put any decent runningback in the backfield and he will do well. That philosophy looks alot like what Alvarez has done up in Wisconsin and also what the Denver Broncos have always done. They first concentrated getting the best Offensive line and then worried about the other "STAR" positions.

Am I being too optimistic or do you think OSU need to break through and get some of these top notched "star" at other position before OSU can be thought of in the same light as some of the other Elite teams?? I sure would LOVE to get some of these top notched RB's and QB's and WR's but I guess I will always think like a lineman and abide by the saying "games are won or lost in the trenches" ...
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Hey, Penn State has an outstanding defense. The fact that they are 2-5 is a by product of an offense utterly incapible of scoring points. If I had told you in August that I would garuntee that the defense would not allow anyone to score more than 21 points, you would probably tell me we would be undefeated. Well, that is what PSU's defense has allowed. Only 3 times has any opponent scored more than 16 points.... thats great defense. An offense has got to be able to get you in the low 20's. I am especially encouraged by what I saw in the run blocking by the offensive line.... Frequently, I saw nice holes and creases being created for backs to run through.
Its important that the line continue to improve and build on what we've seen in the last 2 games. We really dont want to be in a position of having to beat either Purdue or Michigan just to get to a bowl game.... I believe the bucks have success on Saturday running the ball which will really open up the passing game.
 
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This comment I am going to make probably deserves its own thread for discussion but let me just say that I am very concerned with the way Coach T runs the offense. Our offense has become below average and ultra conservative and it is getting worse.
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Are you serious? First of all, this has been beaten to death over the last year or so both here and on Bustnuts. Second, have you even been watching the last few games? 4- and 5-WR sets, reverses, etc. We had several big runs called back because of holds and another potential big play when Ginn dropped his pass on a crossing route. Eliminate the two holds and Ginn's drop and we have around 300 yard total offense on 52 plays, which is just shy of 6 yards per play against a defense ranked in the top ten nationally, which is an excellent achievement. Our tailbacks (Pittman and Hall) ran for a combined 4.4 ypc against one of the best run defenses in the country. Also consider the botched fumble call against us in the third quarter when we were at PSU's 20 yard line, which cost us at least three if not seven points. Not too many folks would be complaining had we won 24-10 or 28-10. The main thing is we won.
 
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Yeah I really really wish Jim would just stop calling the offensive plays. I love the guy, but sooner or later kids will stop wanting to come here. Kids want a offense that can atleast for 4 Td's a game, and at OSU we should be able to achieve that.
 
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