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Notre Dame Fighting Irish (official thread of bowl failures)

BB73;1450029; said:
His recent infraction for 'arguing with moderators' has resulted in a permaban for accumulated points.


There but for the Grace of God go I...

A toast to the fallen.

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Hmmmmm, Chief's off the reservation. Too bad 'cause this season is going to save Charlie's ample ass and give ol NDC something to cheer about. It's a cake walk unless Michigan somehow comes back from the dead a season or two before I think they will.
 
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Charlie Weis on talking to his family about quitting at Notre Dame. (link)

Saying that he never really thought about quitting, and being sure to mention repeatedly that he was acting "as a husband and a father" in discussing it with them, so as to position himself as the altruist that he is, Weis shared this with us all. The article ends as follows:

Following a 38-3 loss to USC in the regular-season finale, athletic director Jack Swarbrick took several days before announcing that Weis would return as coach. Swarbrick said he decided to allow Weis to return for a fifth season because they agreed on what steps need to be taken to restore Notre Dame to prominence.


Weis, who has a 29-21 record in four years at Notre Dame after the Irish posted a 7-6 record last season, said Wednesday he wants the job now for the same reason he took it when he was hired following the 2004 season.


"We came here to get Notre Dame back to the top of the heap. That's what we intend on doing," he said.
Personally, I think he achieved his objectives.

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5-6 years ago after UGA won it's first SEC title under Richt and Tech was well into the throws of Chan Gailey suckitude, there was quiet discussion about replacing Tech on the schedule with Notre Dame for a couple of years.

Having seen Tech's rebirth as a capable program and Notre Dame's decent into a soft program that plays a terrible schedule - I'm glad that the administration didn't make a hasty decision.
 
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This is a humorous topic from a Notre Dame fan's perspective. I won't concern myself with some of the more obtuse criticisms, like Weis's weight (an interesting topic of discussion for such a mature message board). Anyways, it's more humorous in how time and selective memory can form rivalries. I haven't followed college football that long. I guess I really started getting into it in 04 or so. I was always kind of a Notre Dame fan because my parents and entire family always wanted me to go there. It's also kind of fun being a fan of the probably the most hated team in America. Even when we're completely irrelevant (which has been most of the years I've been following them), people expend such energy into hating us. I guess I just don't take it too seriously.

I have a bit different perspective on the whole OSU-Notre Dame thing. When I first started watching college football, those were really my favorite teams. I liked OSU because of Jim Tressel, and a lot of my friends were OSU fans as well. In 06, when the two were set to play each other in the Fiesta Bowl, I was stoked. I was rooting for Notre Dame, but if there were 1 team I'd want to lose to, it'd be OSU. However, I kind of lost a lot of respect for OSU simply because every single fan I came across before and after the game was absolutely classless about the whole thing. Obviously this was anecdotal; there's no way to quantitatively measure which fans were bigger assholes, but it was enough to make sure I never rooted for OSU again.

Over the last few years, OSU has really just cemented this reputation in my eyes. I'll preface this by saying that I'm away ND football has sucked in the last few years. I'm not making any excuses and I have no problem admitting it. We have a lot of work to do, and that may or may not start with firing Weis. However, every time an OSU fan realizes that I am an ND fan, I get automatic lip about the state of our program, Weis's weight, and that 06 Fiesta Bowl game. It's all kind of sad really, considering OSU's notorious trouble in other bowl games. As an SEC fan (Tennessee for everyone that wants to jump on that), I get an extra little chuckle out of that as well.
 
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Musified;1457340; said:
This is a humorous topic from a Notre Dame fan's perspective. I won't concern myself with some of the more obtuse criticisms, like Weis's weight (an interesting topic of discussion for such a mature message board). Anyways, it's more humorous in how time and selective memory can form rivalries. I haven't followed college football that long. I guess I really started getting into it in 04 or so. I was always kind of a Notre Dame fan because my parents and entire family always wanted me to go there. It's also kind of fun being a fan of the probably the most hated team in America. Even when we're completely irrelevant (which has been most of the years I've been following them), people expend such energy into hating us. I guess I just don't take it too seriously.

I have a bit different perspective on the whole OSU-Notre Dame thing. When I first started watching college football, those were really my favorite teams. I liked OSU because of Jim Tressel, and a lot of my friends were OSU fans as well. In 06, when the two were set to play each other in the Fiesta Bowl, I was stoked. I was rooting for Notre Dame, but if there were 1 team I'd want to lose to, it'd be OSU. However, I kind of lost a lot of respect for OSU simply because every single fan I came across before and after the game was absolutely classless about the whole thing. Obviously this was anecdotal; there's no way to quantitatively measure which fans were bigger assholes, but it was enough to make sure I never rooted for OSU again.

Over the last few years, OSU has really just cemented this reputation in my eyes. I'll preface this by saying that I'm away ND football has sucked in the last few years. I'm not making any excuses and I have no problem admitting it. We have a lot of work to do, and that may or may not start with firing Weis. However, every time an OSU fan realizes that I am an ND fan, I get automatic lip about the state of our program, Weis's weight, and that 06 Fiesta Bowl game. It's all kind of sad really, considering OSU's notorious trouble in other bowl games. As an SEC fan (Tennessee for everyone that wants to jump on that), I get an extra little chuckle out of that as well.
1) We give you shit about the state of your program because, in general, ND fans never shut the fuck up about how amazing the state of their program is.

2) Football coaches shouldn't be fat. Coaches should be athletic. It's a terrible example to the players when the coach is a goddamn fatass. Especially when that coach then tries to get surgery to make himself less fat instead of, you know, riding a bike and not eating 500 cheeseburgers a day.

3) We give you shit for the '06 Fiesta Bowl because your coach was a pompous ass before that game and so were most of your fans. Your coach dissed Tressel and his accomplishments (much more impressive than Chuck's) and then got the shit kicked out of him, all 300 pounds of shit that goes through his system daily. And most of you guys (not you necessarily) were too busy talking about how amazing your loss against USC was, and how much of a genius Weis was, to realize who you guys were playing.

4) Our "notorious trouble in bowl games"? Our trouble in bowl games consists of losing our last 3. 2 of those games were against the national champion, and the other was against a team who should have been in that game if not for voters' idiocy. Our "trouble" does not even come close to comparing with yours. Your best bowl win in the past, what, 10, 15 years is against Hawaii. Ours is the national championship and a few other BCS bowls, including against your own team.

So sorry for the rude post, but your coach is a fat, obnoxious, arrogant fuck.
 
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Musified;1457340; said:
This is a humorous topic from a Notre Dame fan's perspective. I won't concern myself with some of the more obtuse criticisms, like Weis's weight (an interesting topic of discussion for such a mature message board). Anyways, it's more humorous in how time and selective memory can form rivalries. I haven't followed college football that long. I guess I really started getting into it in 04 or so. I was always kind of a Notre Dame fan because my parents and entire family always wanted me to go there. It's also kind of fun being a fan of the probably the most hated team in America. Even when we're completely irrelevant (which has been most of the years I've been following them), people expend such energy into hating us. I guess I just don't take it too seriously.

I have a bit different perspective on the whole OSU-Notre Dame thing. When I first started watching college football, those were really my favorite teams. I liked OSU because of Jim Tressel, and a lot of my friends were OSU fans as well. In 06, when the two were set to play each other in the Fiesta Bowl, I was stoked. I was rooting for Notre Dame, but if there were 1 team I'd want to lose to, it'd be OSU. However, I kind of lost a lot of respect for OSU simply because every single fan I came across before and after the game was absolutely classless about the whole thing. Obviously this was anecdotal; there's no way to quantitatively measure which fans were bigger assholes, but it was enough to make sure I never rooted for OSU again.

Over the last few years, OSU has really just cemented this reputation in my eyes. I'll preface this by saying that I'm away ND football has sucked in the last few years. I'm not making any excuses and I have no problem admitting it. We have a lot of work to do, and that may or may not start with firing Weis. However, every time an OSU fan realizes that I am an ND fan, I get automatic lip about the state of our program, Weis's weight, and that 06 Fiesta Bowl game. It's all kind of sad really, considering OSU's notorious trouble in other bowl games. As an SEC fan (Tennessee for everyone that wants to jump on that), I get an extra little chuckle out of that as well.

So you didn't follow football untill 2004, claim to be a fan of both ND and UT and wonder why everyone you meet gives you shit?

Have you ever considered you aren't as smart as you think you are? I mean if you can't piece this one together on your own, I really don't know if anyone here is going to be able to help you.
 
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xcrunner;1457349; said:
1) We give you [censored] about the state of your program because, in general, ND fans never shut the [censored] up about how amazing the state of their program is.

This isn't much of an excuse. This thread itself did not start with some ND fan spouting off how awesome our program is did it?

2) Football coaches shouldn't be fat. Coaches should be athletic. It's a terrible example to the players when the coach is a goddamn fatass. Especially when that coach then tries to get surgery to make himself less fat instead of, you know, riding a bike and not eating 500 cheeseburgers a day.
Well...it's difficult to argue with someone that has such personal knowledge of Weis's diet and exercising habits. I feel stupid for having to say this, but coaching has a little more to do with mental abilities than physical abilities. There are a lot of fat coaches out there. This is a very childish argument.

3) We give you [censored] for the '06 Fiesta Bowl because your coach was a pompous ass before that game and so were most of your fans. Your coach dissed Tressel and his accomplishments (much more impressive than Chuck's) and then got the [censored] kicked out of him, all 300 pounds of [censored] that goes through his system daily. And most of you guys (not you necessarily) were too busy talking about how amazing your loss against USC was, and how much of a genius Weis was, to realize who you guys were playing.
According to all OSU fans, ND will always be the instigator. I'm just saying that according to me, OSU fans were the instigators. All of this is anecdotal, and there's little use in arguing about it.

4) Our "notorious trouble in bowl games"? Our trouble in bowl games consists of losing our last 3. 2 of those games were against the national champion, and the other was against a team who should have been in that game if not for voters' idiocy. Our "trouble" does not even come close to comparing with yours. Your best bowl win in the past, what, 10, 15 years is against Hawaii. Ours is the national championship and a few other BCS bowls, including against your own team.
See, this is where you're starting to get unecessarily offended. I never said that Notre Dame's recent history was better than OSU's. I'm well aware of our inadequacies. However, that doesn't mean I'm not allowed to comment on OSU football. You can't excuse your big-game woes by pointing to a team that's done worse. Sure, you've done much better than ND in recent years, but that doesn't mean your [censored] doesn't stink. I'm mature enough to admit ND's shortcomings, I don't pass it off by saying "at least we're better than _____."

So sorry for the rude post, but your coach is a fat, obnoxious, arrogant [censored].
So mature.
 
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Musified;1457371; said:
This isn't much of an excuse. This thread itself did not start with some ND fan spouting off how awesome our program is did it?

Well...it's difficult to argue with someone that has such personal knowledge of Weis's diet and exercising habits. I feel stupid for having to say this, but coaching has a little more to do with mental abilities than physical abilities. There are a lot of fat coaches out there. This is a very childish argument.

According to all OSU fans, ND will always be the instigator. I'm just saying that according to me, OSU fans were the instigators. All of this is anecdotal, and there's little use in arguing about it.

See, this is where you're starting to get unecessarily offended. I never said that Notre Dame's recent history was better than OSU's. I'm well aware of our inadequacies. However, that doesn't mean I'm not allowed to comment on OSU football. You can't excuse your big-game woes by pointing to a team that's done worse. Sure, you've done much better than ND in recent years, but that doesn't mean your [censored] doesn't stink. I'm mature enough to admit ND's shortcomings, I don't pass it off by saying "at least we're better than _____."

So mature.


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Jaxbuck;1457360; said:
So you didn't follow football untill 2004, claim to be a fan of both ND and UT and wonder why everyone you meet gives you [censored]?

I'm very sorry for offending the old guard of those "elite" college football fans, but hey, everyone's got to start somewhere. I don't wonder why people give me shit. In fact, I stated quite clearly that I'm aware we're probably America's most hated team. That's half the fun.
 
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Musified;1457378; said:
I'm very sorry for offending the old guard of those "elite" college football fans, but hey, everyone's got to start somewhere. I don't wonder why people give me shit. In fact, I stated quite clearly that I'm aware we're probably America's most hated team. That's half the fun.

So what is your position on the team?
 
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