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Kevin Wilson (HC Tulsa)

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sparcboxbuck said:
Don't have the link, but I believe I recall a clip... spring or summer camp, where KW noted that this would still be Urban's offense and him calling it. A few twists added, but still largely Urban.

That is, exactly, what I'm seeing.

Time to let KW sprinkle some pixie dust methinks.
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Jake said:
Interesting read from 2 weeks ago:

Why Kevin Wilson’s Ohio State offense could be amazing
and why it's not...

“It's still going to be the Ohio State offense,” Meyer told reporters at Big Ten Media Days in July.
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From the article:

Cris Carter asked Meyer how Wilson’s offense would be most different than previous Buckeye units.

“Just tempo,” Meyer said.

“It's still going to be the Ohio State offense,” Meyer told reporters at Big Ten Media Days in July. “However, we had some weaknesses a year ago, and I'd like to see some improvement. And I think Kevin will have a major impact.”
 
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Jake said:
From the article:

Cris Carter asked Meyer how Wilson’s offense would be most different than previous Buckeye units.

“Just tempo,” Meyer said.

“It's still going to be the Ohio State offense,” Meyer told reporters at Big Ten Media Days in July. “However, we had some weaknesses a year ago, and I'd like to see some improvement. And I think Kevin will have a major impact.”
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MOOOOOOAAAR Pixie dust!
 
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GovTressel said:
For everyone saying Wilson is just running Meyer's offense---

Name the UFM team that didn't have an H-Back element in the offense.

Many of the concepts are similar, but this IS a different offense being run.
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Using an H-Back is hardly the point. Lots of teams run H-Backs in ways that aren't highly predictable. Oklahoma did it on Saturday and stomped us with it.

I'm curious as to how it's a different offense at all because we keep running lame screens that don't work because they worked for Percy Harvin a long time ago and running designed QB runs that Tebow pulled off. You have to evolve at some point and trying every year to find a guy to run your Harvin package the same way Harvin did or the Tebow package the same way Tebow did is predictable and in effective.

Look at the set of downs they had near the endzone in the third quarter and tell me something you saw there that wasn't remarkably obvious. Dobbins/Weber take you all the way down the field, then Barrett run, Barrett run, incomplete pass on an obvious passing down, field goal.

In every bad game we've had, we've had stretches where we're effective that die off because we go back to the same stale crap as if the only reason the effective plays were called was to open up the tired crap that doesn't work anymore.

With every bad game it becomes more and more clear that Urban would rather make a dime his way than a dollar any other way. Every single loss has looked exactly the same, regardless of who the Offensive Coordinator has been and that is not just coincidence.
 
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GovTressel said:
For everyone saying Wilson is just running Meyer's offense---

Name the UFM team that didn't have an H-Back element in the offense.

Many of the concepts are similar, but this IS a different offense being run.
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The 2012 offense didn't. Which is why Dontre Wilson played way earlier than he should have in 2013.

And when Dontre was just a "hood ornament" in 2013, the offense was Braxton left, Braxton right, Hyde up the middle.
 
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sg86 said:
Using an H-Back is hardly the point. Lots of teams run H-Backs in ways that aren't highly predictable. Oklahoma did it on Saturday and stomped us with it.

I'm curious as to how it's a different offense at all because we keep running lame screens that don't work because they worked for Percy Harvin a long time ago and running designed QB runs that Tebow pulled off. You have to evolve at some point and trying every year to find a guy to run your Harvin package the same way Harvin did or the Tebow package the same way Tebow did is predictable and in effective.

Look at the set of downs they had near the endzone in the third quarter and tell me something you saw there that wasn't remarkably obvious. Dobbins/Weber take you all the way down the field, then Barrett run, Barrett run, incomplete pass on an obvious passing down, field goal.

In every bad game we've had, we've had stretches where we're effective that die off because we go back to the same stale crap as if the only reason the effective plays were called was to open up the tired crap that doesn't work anymore.

With every bad game it becomes more and more clear that Urban would rather make a dime his way than a dollar any other way. Every single loss has looked exactly the same, regardless of who the Offensive Coordinator has been and that is not just coincidence.
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The H-Back, and how he is used, is probably the most promamite aspect of Urban's offense, along with the QB's running threat and the way it's deployed.

The problem isn't the system-the problem is the QB. Anyone who's seen Barrett play in person in the last three years has seen guys running open all over the place and a QB with the yips that can't pull the trigger. Add that to the limiting factor of his weak arm and you have what we're all griping about.
 
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Jake said:
From the article:

Cris Carter asked Meyer how Wilson’s offense would be most different than previous Buckeye units.

“Just tempo,” Meyer said.

“It's still going to be the Ohio State offense,” Meyer told reporters at Big Ten Media Days in July. “However, we had some weaknesses a year ago, and I'd like to see some improvement. And I think Kevin will have a major impact.”
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Motherfucker.

Wilson can't be expected to rejuvenate the offense if he's handcuffed by Urban's antiquated playbook. The SEC (read: Saban) had him figured out by '07. Everyone else in the SEC had him figured out by '09. MSU exposed him in '13 and '15. MSU '16, PSU '16, and TTUN '16 showed that the main conference competitors were dialed in.

Then we got our teeth kicked in by high quality opponents the last two marquee OOC matchups.

Clemson's staff openly mocked Urban's playbook, before backing their derision up on the field in a shutout.

IU's coach called it. Allen just didn't have the horses. OU's rookie coach ran circles around Urban.

For all the groaning we did about Dave during the Tressel era, at the very least he tried to tailor the offense to the strengths of the talent. He wasn't afraid to switch from power run to air raid at YSU, and he did it again with Troy Smith in '06.

Urban is a great coach. He is NOT without limitations. Those limitations are holding the Program back.

Despite what he thinks, he is NOT the greatest thing since sliced bread. Running a 1930s offense only goes so far in the 20-teens .

It's well past time that Urban gives REAL control to his offensive staff.
 
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GovTressel said:
2012 had plenty of traditional Urban H-Back motion.
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2012 was a lot more motion by the TEs. Jordan Hall & Philly Brown would sporadically (significantly less than any other year) motion but rarely get the ball. Urban Meyer even said he didn't have an H because Philly couldn't run between the tackles and Jordan couldn't play WR. 2013(to a lesser extent than the next few,) 2014, & 2015 had much more traditional H motion as they would threaten the edge with Dontre, Jalin, & Braxton.
 
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lvbuckeye said:
Motherfucker.

Wilson can't be expected to rejuvenate the offense if he's handcuffed by Urban's antiquated playbook. The SEC (read: Saban) had him figured out by '07. Everyone else in the SEC had him figured out by '09. MSU exposed him in '13 and '15. MSU '16, PSU '16, and TTUN '16 showed that the main conference competitors were dialed in.

Then we got our teeth kicked in by high quality opponents the last two marquee OOC matchups.

Clemson's staff openly mocked Urban's playbook, before backing their derision up on the field in a shutout.

IU's coach called it. Allen just didn't have the horses. OU's rookie coach ran circles around Urban.

For all the groaning we did about Dave during the Tressel era, at the very least he tried to tailor the offense to the strengths of the talent. He wasn't afraid to switch from power run to air raid at YSU, and he did it again with Troy Smith in '06.

Urban is a great coach. He is NOT without limitations. Those limitations are holding the Program back.

Despite what he thinks, he is NOT the greatest thing since sliced bread. Running a 1930s offense only goes so far in the 20-teens .

It's well past time that Urban gives REAL control to his offensive staff.
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The more this gets further away from our loss the more worried I'm getting. Listening to the morning 5 today and they say the same things we are saying. That this is not Kevin Wilsons offense that UFM has given control to one person in his life in Tom Herman and he went and won us a Natty.

As I said before UFM has never been a offensive coordinator before becoming a head coach and Kevin Wilson has years of experience running a high octane offense.

I'm already mad thinking about how our post game presser will go this week.

1. Credit to army. Have lots of respect for them. They got a tough offense to stop

2. I thought our offense took a step forward today but we still have to improve in many areas

3. We wanted to get JT extra reps that's why he was in until later in the game

4. Inexcusable drops by the receivers we will work on that and get it fix. All six receivers need to push forward

5. Offensive line started slow today and we need to start fast. We will make that an emphasis

6. I'll have to watch film but I'm pretty sure they were dropping people in coverage so nothing was there deep.

7. We got the win and it's on to New Mexico State

It's always the same because nothing ever changes. UFM won't give control of the offense away and that's going to be an issue for me if we lose to PSU and God forbid THOSE GUYS. He has the most experienced offensive coordinator he's ever had so just trust the man
 
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