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Opinions on the Antonio Davis incident?

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While the fan bears some responsibility for the incident because of the manner in which he spoke to Kendra Davis, in fact this appears to be almost entirely her fault. It is exasperating to have someone in front of you jumping up and down and blocking your view and openly shouting for an opposing side all of the time.

I can't see any evidence from the video I saw that suggests the fan was any threat to his wife, on the other hand, I can see that she invaded the fan's space, insulted him and moved in a way that would obviously provoke him. He is calling security. He is sitting. She is the one trying to intimidate him. Witnesses say that the only thing he did was to push her hand away from his face. Clearly, she touches him twice.

As for Davis, sorry, but there is no excuse for going into the stands. Players should feel that they are safe from opposing fans and vice-versa. If not, the situation deteriorates into the kind of violence that we repeatedly have seen in South American and Asian soccer matches.

While I cannot say that I would have done the same as Davis, I think he would be wise to sit down with his wife and discuss how they will avoid this kind of thing in the future.
 
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Steve19 said:
While the fan bears some responsibility for the incident because of the manner in which he spoke to Kendra Davis, in fact this appears to be almost entirely her fault. It is exasperating to have someone in front of you jumping up and down and blocking your view and openly shouting for an opposing side all of the time.
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Amen. I don't know why people at sporting events don't have the good sense to just sit down and shut up. Cheering and other displays of fandom are simply out of line. How am I supposed to enjoy Mozart or Beehtoven or a Knicks game when audience members are committing these sorts of faux paus?

In all seriousness though, I don't think this is a matter of right and wrong. You can be perfectly in the right and still be, in the words of the wise vrbryant, a "sniveling douche."
 
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EdDantes22 said:
Yes, a question -- with an underlying premise: "You DON'T know what he's suing over. I am a moderator and my word is law. My mother says I'm special and different than everyone else."

I work with JonathanXC. We're sitting at adjoining desks right now. He has approved, approves of, and will approve all of my posts.
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An underlying premise? Now you're bringing my mod status into this? You might want to take a step back.
 
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EdDantes22 said:
Amen. I don't know why people at sporting events don't have the good sense to just sit down and shut up. Cheering and other displays of fandom are simply out of line. How am I supposed to enjoy Mozard or Beehtoven or a Knicks game when audience members are committing these sorts of faux paus?

In all seriousness though, I don't think this is a matter of right and wrong. You can be perfectly in the right and still be, in the words of the wise vrbryant, a "sniveling douche."
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:tibor: How would you react to a TSUN supporter sitting in front of you, standing 75% of the time, screaming about the officiating, about every play and etc for the entire game.

Of course, people stand and cheer, but my point is that we all have had the experience of having a hyperactive and irritating fan in front of us.

If she did insult him and provoke him throughout the game and he everntually responded by telling her to "shut the f*%k up and sit down", which is my take on the witness reports, then one can understand why he might have done so.

Was he right? No.

Was he a blameless victim? No.

Is it reasonable to expect him to have the patience of Job? No.

Does her past behavior suggest that the reports of her behavior prior to the incident are accurate? Yes?

Should Davis have been in the stands? No.

Would I have done the same thing Davis did? Probably so.

The punishment seems excessively harsh to me. Geez, a $100,000 fine would have been excessive.

Having lived outside America for so long, I find it strange that people there sue each other for such silly things. The fan should just move on.
 
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Steve19 said:
:tibor: How would you react to a TSUN supporter sitting in front of you, standing 75% of the time, screaming about the officiating, about every play and etc for the entire game.

Of course, people stand and cheer, but my point is that we all have had the experience of having a hyperactive and irritating fan in front of us.

If she did insult him and provoke him throughout the game and he everntually responded by telling her to "shut the f*%k up and sit down", which is my take on the witness reports, then one can understand why he might have done so.

Was he right? No.

Was he a blameless victim? No.

Is it reasonable to expect him to have the patience of Job? No.

Does her past behavior suggest that the reports of her behavior prior to the incident are accurate? Yes?

Should Davis have been in the stands? No.

Would I have done the same thing Davis did? Probably so.
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Well, if he did that, I'd say that's a pretty common sporting event occurrence. But if you're going to tell someone to "shut the F*!$ up and sit down" then you should be prepared for the obvious: they won't be happy and they likely will fire back.

Does the fan have legal ground to sue? Yes

Does that mean he should sue? No

Could I sue everyone on this discussion board for slander everytime you put up one of those silly little men playing the violin after all my posts? Yes, and the paperwork is underway
 
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BuckeyeNation27 said:
JXC, put a leash on your dog :roll1:
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Not my fault he sees me on BP all the time and couldn't resist. I told him to cool it...not likely though. He thinks he's being funny.

Not to say i'm not laughing either though.


Who's gonna put a leash on you??? :slappy:
 
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Everyone just calm down. We actually all seem to be on roughly the same page. Davis broke a rule, and was rightly punished. His wife was being obnoxious, the fan overreacted, and she overreacted to his overreaction. He proceeded to overreact to her overreaction of his overreaction, over which we all have pretty much overreacted. I think we all agree that Davis' punishment was probably a little bit harsh, considering how much lighter it would have been if not for the Detroit melee. And I think we all agree as well that this is a needless, frivolous lawsuit. Someone please tell me if I'm wrong here.
 
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Steve19 said:
:tibor: How would you react to a TSUN supporter sitting in front of you, standing 75% of the time, screaming about the officiating, about every play and etc for the entire game.
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Seriously Steve - I'd egg the stupid fool on, for this likely would happen if they were going into serious Lllloyd-like meltdown over some perceived injustice that was "robbing" them of any chance to stop another loss to the Buckeyes -- it might even add to my enjoyment of the game.
 
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JonathanXC said:
Not my fault he sees me on BP all the time and couldn't resist. I told him to cool it...not likely though. He thinks he's being funny.

Not to say i'm not laughing either though.


Who's gonna put a leash on you??? :slappy:
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When I start saying shit like "JXC said I'm allowed to post", then you can put the leash on me. Until then, only Thump is allowed.
 
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EdDantes22 said:
Well, if he did that, I'd say that's a pretty common sporting event occurrence. But if you're going to tell someone to "shut the F*!$ up and sit down" then you should be prepared for the obvious: they won't be happy and they likely will fire back.

Does the fan have legal ground to sue? Yes

Does that mean he should sue? No

Could I sue everyone on this discussion board for slander everytime you put up one of those silly little men playing the violin after all my posts? Yes, and the paperwork is underway
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Now you're posting just to post. If I'm going to tell someone to shut the fuck up an to sit down, there's a reason for doing so and I could give a shit if they "fired back" or not. But there's no reason for them to escalate the issues, especially when they were behaving in a manner which warranted my comments in the first place.

Why shouldn't he sue them for publicly characterizing him as a drunkard? It's not like someone on this board called him a drunk fuck, but rather he was called so in mass media for half the world to see. The fact that he's willing to totally drop the issue for a simple apology shows that he's not a gold digger...
 
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