Oversigning (capacity 25, everyone welcome! maybe)

[sandgk]

don't Big 10 programs need special permission from the conference to sign over 25 players?? A plan on how all the signees will fit under the scholarship limit??

That was certainly always my understanding. But, hey, if it's good enough for The Navy ...

 

[Gatorubet]

don't Big 10 programs need special permission from the conference to sign over 25 players?? A plan on how all the signees will fit under the scholarship limit??

It seems as though signing an extra 10 guys every year leads to at least one extra fast guy a year...

 

[jwinslow]

Oh sure - if you are going to use "facts" to try to win an argument.

Yup. An SEC school signs an average of 19 more players over a 5 year span than their b10 counterparts. Yes I know there are some explanations (cleaning house after Zook), but it's a pretty clear trend overall.

2003-2007 (5 year span)

Total recruits signed (per scout)

UM - 17, 22, 23, 20, 20 = 102, 20.4 avg, 81.6 every 4 yrs, -3.4
OSU - 15, 26, 18, 20, 15 = 94, 18.8 avg, 75.2 every 4 yrs, -9.8
PSU - 11, 25, 19, 24, 21 = 100, 20.0 avg, 80.0 every 4 yrs, -5.0
Iow - 23, 20, 23, 20, 22 = 108, 21.6 avg, 86.4 every 4 yrs, +1.4
ILL - 28, 24, 19, 27, 21 = 119, 23.8 avg, 95.2 every 4 yrs, +10.2
Pur - 24, 29, 18, 25, 20 = 116, 23.2 avg, 92.8 every 4 yrs, +7.8
Wis - 17, 24, 23, 23, 18 = 105, 21.0 avg, 84.0 every 4 yrs, -1.0
Min - 21, 24, 18, 20, 23 = 106, 21.2 avg, 84.8 every 4 yrs, -0.2
IU - 23, 26, 24, 20, 19 = 112, 22.4 avg, 89.6 every 4 yrs, +4.6
NW - 22, 15, 20, 17, 19 = 93, 18.6 avg, 74.4 every 4 yrs, -10.6
MSU - 18, 30, 24, 25, 21 = 118, 23.6 avg, 94.4 every 4 yrs, +9.4
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1173

106.6 21.3 avg, 85.3 every 4 yrs, +0.3


ALA - 17, 28, 30, 23, 24 = 122, 24.4 avg, 97.6 every 4 yrs, +12.6
ARK - 24, 32, 24, 26, 27 = 133, 26.6 avg, 106.4 evry 4 yrs, +21.4
AUB - 25, 27, 21, 25, 30 = 128, 25.6 avg, 102.4 evry 4 yrs, +17.4
FLA - 28, 24, 18, 27, 27 = 124, 24.8 avg, 99.2 every 4 yrs, +14.2
UGA - 24, 19, 19, 27, 23 = 112, 22.4 avg, 89.6 every 4 yrs, +4.6
KEN - 16, 28, 26, 30, 27 = 127, 25.4 avg, 101.6 evry 4 yrs, +16.6
LSU - 27, 29, 13, 25, 25 = 119, 23.8 avg, 95.2 every 4 yrs, +10.2
OLE - 23, 23, 28, 30, 22 = 126, 25.2 avg, 100.8 evry 4 yrs, +15.8
MST - 32, 23, 28, 24, 34 = 141, 28.2 avg, 112.8 evry 4 yrs, +27.8
USC - 29, 27, 28, 24, 31 = 139, 27.8 avg, 111.2 evry 4 yrs, +26.2
TEN - 22, 24, 27, 21, 32 = 126, 25.2 avg, 100.8 evry 4 yrs, +15.8
VAN - 22, 20, 25, 26, 14 = 107, 21.4 avg, 85.6 every 4 yrs, +0.6
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1504

125.3 25.1 avg, 100.3 evry 4 yrs, +15.3

Bama was one of the lower ones in this group, but that has since changed, oversigning to the tune of 32 in '08 and following it up with 27 more for '09.

Georgia is a rare SEC squad that signs mass numbers like the b10, including '08 & '09.

In contrast, OSU was one of the lowest in that list. If you shift the 5-year span to include 08 & 09, OSU only picks up 4 extra players (or -6.6 under the schollie limit instead of -7.8).

Josh, 37 signees is not an SEC thing. It is crazy world stuff. What was the average difference in class if I may ask?

37 is crazy, but somehow signing big classes year after year is very common in the SEC.

I'd also love to see the average attrition rate, as that would drive the former.

It's dramatically higher (whether it be before or after enrollment). We can merely speculate as to why.

 

[Dryden]

This is really just being misreported. Ole Miss only signed their 25 guys like everybody else, but with SEC speed and all, 12 other faxes happened to show up a year early.

 

[BigWoof31]

This is just out of my curiosity but do the Gators run the Auburn/Bammer put people up at Hargrave, Fork Union, Milford route at all?

Little known fact. If a school has a player enroll at the schools mentioned above - they are under no obligation to bring him into their program. Similarily, a player is under no obligation to attend the school he previously chose if he changes his mind and prefers to go another route.

 

[BigWoof31]

That was certainly always my understanding. But, hey, if it's good enough for The Navy ...

I don't mind the Navy doing this. They're gonna lose young man who can't pass the fitness assesment portion of the Naval Academy.

If I'm not mistaken, that assesment requires swimming for 2 miles and treading water for an hour. I'd bet that 30% of NCAA D1 Footballers could pass that.

 

[BuckeyeNation27]

Little known fact. If a school has a player enroll at the schools mentioned above - they are under no obligation to bring him into their program. Similarily, a player is under no obligation to attend the school he previously chose if he changes his mind and prefers to go another route.

And yet...if a school wants to hide a kid in a prep school, and that kid still wants to go to that school...it works out quite nicely.

 

[BayBuck]

Little known fact. If a school has a player enroll at the schools mentioned above - they are under no obligation to bring him into their program. Similarily, a player is under no obligation to attend the school he previously chose if he changes his mind and prefers to go another route.

Steve Spurrier is all to familiar with those situations.

 

[jwinslow]

Steve Spurrier is all to familiar with those situations.

and slick nick

Videos | ABC 33/40 News

Saban gets defensive when asked to explain how he'll handle oversigning (32 recruits, 25 per class limit.... also over 85 total limit).

A Final Word On Oversigning And Alabama

RBR says that "this is one of the reasons you oversign in the first place"; not even I think Nick Saban plans for six kids to commit armed robbery by fall.

The final point in a pithy a form as I can muster: Schools should never put themselves in a position where they are actively hoping to remove someone from the roster.

...

Miles is finding interesting ways to keep the numbers down as well... (link)

 

[sparcboxbuck]

its hard to count when you wear jorts...

And have a mullet.

j/k Gator I know you're one of the few good ones.

Gator... that you?

 

[BGriffBuckeye]

and slick nickA Final Word On Oversigning And Alabama

...

Miles is finding interesting ways to keep the numbers down as well... (link)

Wow, so no offense to Randle, but this kid is a headcase... you tell me:

""It was a situation where it was the best for both of us," said Randle, who announced Wednesday he was signing with LSU. "If he (Benton) was going to go there, I was going to have to find somewhere to go because I didn't want to take heat on him, put pressure on him where he had to battle with me for a position. He needed to go somewhere where he could play, better his opportunity.""

 

[jwinslow]

It sure would be nice to have 15-25 extra bodies over a 5 year span like most of the SEC.

March to 85 Watch List ? Oversigning.com

Just like last year, Saban oversigned way past his available scholarship total.

..66 returning
+29 signees or early enrollees (to circumvent the 28 man limit imposed by SEC )
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..95 bodies
- 85 spots
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10 players to cut, graduate early or not accept as recruits.

 

[Gatorubet]

It sure would be nice to have 15-25 extra bodies over a 5 year span like most of the SEC.

March to 85 Watch List ? Oversigning.com

Just like last year, Saban oversigned way past his available scholarship total.

..66 returning
+29 signees or early enrollees (to circumvent the 28 man limit imposed by SEC )
--------------
..95 bodies
- 85 spots
--------------
10 players to cut, graduate early or not accept as recruits.

The same site has a chart showing that - from 2002 to 2010 - Purdue, Minnesota, Michigan State and Illinois had a greater average number of yearly signees than Florida.

Which means something, but I'm not sure what.

 

[FCollinsBuckeye]

Which means something, but I'm not sure what.

Much like the loaves and fishes, Tebow touched the small Gator recruiting classes and created abundance.

 

[Gatorubet]

Much like the loaves and fishes, Tebow touched the small Gator recruiting classes and created abundance.

I take it as a given that Tebow counts for at least three or four players each year he was there...