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QB Antonio Henton (transfer to Ga. Southern and FT. Valley St.)

osugrad21;961077; said:
Ok, cleared to post this...

In a nutshell, the prosecution has offered a loitering charge to save face...the delay was so Henton and family could decide on season or trial (if needed). He met with JT yesterday and the lawyer filled JT in on proceedings and the contents of the tape...JT's advice, clear your name and worry about football later.

Love it.

Play football now with a loitering charge or come back to the team when you don't have any misdemeanor crimes attributed to you and JT won't have to punish you.

Can't JT claim "time served" for a loitering or even solicitation charge? Henton has missed two games already.
 
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BKB, I want to understand what you're defining as probable cause. If I'm walking alone on High Street and some chick in a skanky outfit offers to blow me for $20, and I say "Yeah, right. Whatever" and keep on walking, can I be arrested a block later?

What if I say, sarcastically, "Sorry, I didn't get paid this week. All I have is a $5." and keep walking, do I get arrested then?

How about, "You're kind of hot for a cop"? Is that a one way ticket to county?

What exactly can you say? "Heavens no! Begone from me you filthy evil woman!" Should I then splash her with a vial of holy water blessed by Mayor Coleman and smack her on the head with a copy of the Ohio Revised Code? :tongue2:

In the hypothetical scenario earlier in this thread, was the probable cause the fact that the driver in the scenario slowed down the car and rolled down the window to talk to a woman who had signaled him? What if he were simply stopped at a light, windows down and perhaps t-tops or convertible top open, and she leaned in to talk to him uninvited? Would you still say that his response constituted probable cause?

I'm just curious. :) Years ago, when I was in high school, some buddies of mine thought it would be funny to stop and talk to a hooker (we were following in the car behind them). We couldn't hear the initial conversation, but at a point apparently they asked her where they could find some white girls (she was black), because all we heard was her cursing and swearing at them and going on about "f you and your f-ing white girls. There ain't no white girls around here". The whole time it was happening, I was telling the guys in my car "watch her turn out to be a cop". It was pretty funny, but I guess they could have all wound up in jail. Maybe we could have too, since we stopped. :roll2:
 
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Well, there is a big difference between probable cause to arrest and reasonable doubt to convict. Could you be arrested in those scenarios? Sure. Could you be convicted? Doubtful.

To be clear, I think the arrest on any of BBs hypos (and also the Henton Hypo) is a dubious arrest. That is, I don't believe the charges - on those facts - should result in a conviction. But, what I'm talking about is something very different than the criminal context, but instead a lawsuit filed against the cops for wrongful arrest.

Upon doing some research, there is a line of cases which stand for the proposition that accepting an offer of sex for hire is NOT solicitation - as the "crime" is in the asking. But, there is a counter line of reasoning that it is unlawful to agree to commit a crime as well, and thus agreeing to sex for hire is unlawful.

Personally, I agree with the former - if solicitation is to be a crime (and, frankly, I don't think it should be - at least as between adults...) it should be a crime in the asking. But, once again, I'm not talking about the likelihood of success in the cops obtaining a conviction (or, I should say, the prosecution)... I believe - as I've said - those chances are poor. My contention is that a wrongful arrest suit filed by Henton against the cops is an uphill battle. That's it.
 
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osugrad21;961074; said:
Pfft, we...I mean I practice law..umm...what name am I signed in as now. Shit. Nevermind. Uh, Im just a dumb coach.

i'm thinking that it doesn't really matter what your name is because pretty soon your awards, lapel pins, gold buckeye leaves, etc., are going to push capo off the left edge of the banner! :biggrin:
 
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Seems like the bottom line is that Henton will be cleared (or plead to a minor violation) but he has been and continues to be "punished".
In the end everyone will say too bad. The cop and JT had no choice. And Henton still pays a very steep price.

















more than any other citizen with similar facts.
 
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VarsityO, I don't think I understand your point. Are you suggesting that Tressel is unfairly punishing Henton? Henton was arrested and is being prosecuted. Although his innocence is assumed until he is proven guilty, Tressel can hardly ignore his arrest and prosecution.

It sounds like a bogus bust. If it is, then the cop and the prosecutor who chose to prosecute the case are the ones who are responsible for any injustice that Henton is suffering, not Coach Tressel.
 
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I believe JT has to be consistent with not playing kids with outstanding court cases... and playing a not yet innocent solicitor (alleged) looks bad as well.

My question is if he were guilty, how long would he be punished? 2-4 games? I can't see it being much more... yet that's what he will likely serve. Thanks CPD. :shake:
 
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jwinslow;961721; said:
I believe JT has to be consistent with not playing kids with outstanding court cases... and playing a not yet innocent solicitor (alleged) looks bad as well.

My question is if he were guilty, how long would he be punished? 2-4 games? I can't see it being much more... yet that's what he will likely serve. Thanks CPD. :shake:

Indeed. It's not like he stole a car out of a car lot. Something like that and you get stripped of your captaincy. While Henton isn't a captain, they'd probably make him wear an asterisk or something.
 
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Steve19 -- I guess my comment centers on the JT process and the flexability therein. Seems like felonies should be handled differently than misdemeanors -- as they apply to the football program. The rule seems a little bureaucratic for a smart guy like JT. IMHO Henton is paying more than most for a very minor and possibly bogus charge. Yea, maybe the police should be the focal point but ,whatever, Henton is the stuckee. For some reason the more I hear the more it bothers me.
 
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Henton was on the sidelines with a jersey on (no pads) Saturday. I saw him listening into some play-calling convos amongst the QBs. I knew he was allowed to practice but now letting him on the sidelines, albeit not in full game gear, has to be a good sign...
 
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