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QB CJ Stroud (All B1G, 2022 B1G QB of the Year, All-American, NFL OROY, Houston Texans)

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pnuts34 said:
Kids want to compete, but they also want to play. By what you're saying, did Joe Burrow not want to compete?
My point is saying "babysitting", is that our coaches are going to play the best, and can't worry about everyone being hurt for not getting in. Kids enroll at OSU and any top program wanting to compete, but also wanting to actually play.
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It’s my opinion, but saying they want “to play” over-simplifies it.

They come to be developed….bc Ryan Day has the reputation of being a QB guru and has an effective system.

It wasn’t that long ago USC was deemed QBU and was pumping backups like Matt Cassel into the league with limited game experience.

To be clear, I do not expect a kid like Jack Miller to stick around until he graduates. But he’s also in a “no lose” situation where he can learn under Day for 2-3 years and then effectively becomes a free agent.

I just think it’s doing the kids a bit of disservice to speculate when they’re going to transfer, when the truth of the matter is, they may be perfectly content absorbing as much as they can, and aren’t even focused on transferring yet. And there’s no babysitting needed.

In fact, with the way Day develops relationships, I’d fully expect he is included in transfer discussions, including best potential fits, looking out for the best continued development to build on what they got at tOSU.
 
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BuckeyeFromHecK said:
Extenuating circumstances aside, Fromm and Stroud had pretty much the same ranking coming out of high school (actually eerily similar rankings - look it up on 247). Not sure he was a “pleb” then nor is he one now (on an nfl team).
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Counter point Rosen, Clausen, and Barkley were all rally highly rated coming out of highschool.

Of Course none of this means anything as no one besides the coaches and the media a few times has seen any of them throw a pass let alone in a game.
 
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BuckeyeFromHecK said:
Extenuating circumstances aside, Fromm and Stroud had pretty much the same ranking coming out of high school (actually eerily similar rankings - look it up on 247). Not sure he was a “pleb” then nor is he one now (on an nfl team).
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Fromm's stat sheet was limited by UGAs offense, he was hardly a Pleb. Maybe not "wow" but he was decent. You could argue his #s woulda been better if he had the benefit of playing in Ohio State's offense.
 
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buckeyemania11 said:
Fromm's stat sheet was limited by UGAs offense, he was hardly a Pleb. Maybe not "wow" but he was decent. You could argue his #s woulda been better if he had the benefit of playing in Ohio State's offense.
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Yep. In 2018, Fromm was 9th in the country in passing efficiency, Dwayne Haskins was 8th.

In 2019, Fromm dropped to the middle of the pack. Georgia had a ton of injuries at receiver that year. I remember that the LSU shutdown of UGA’s passing attack in the 2019 SEC CCG was used by the committee as a factor to show that LSU had corrected an area they’d struggled with, and used that excuse to jump them over tOSU to #1 in the playoff, along with Wiscy’s halftime lead. Georgia had only 1 solid WR, and he only played about half of that game, so it wasn’t a major thing to shut down that passing attack. Still pissed about being jumped then.
 
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billmac91 said:
It’s my opinion, but saying they want “to play” over-simplifies it.

They come to be developed….bc Ryan Day has the reputation of being a QB guru and has an effective system.

It wasn’t that long ago USC was deemed QBU and was pumping backups like Matt Cassel into the league with limited game experience.

To be clear, I do not expect a kid like Jack Miller to stick around until he graduates. But he’s also in a “no lose” situation where he can learn under Day for 2-3 years and then effectively becomes a free agent.

I just think it’s doing the kids a bit of disservice to speculate when they’re going to transfer, when the truth of the matter is, they may be perfectly content absorbing as much as they can, and aren’t even focused on transferring yet. And there’s no babysitting needed.

In fact, with the way Day develops relationships, I’d fully expect he is included in transfer discussions, including best potential fits, looking out for the best continued development to build on what they got at tOSU.
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The USC comparison isn't valid because there wasn't a transfer portal then, and I highly doubt all of those QBs sit and wait their turns if they could leave and play elsewhere, just look at the QB talent that schools like Clemson, Washington, UGA, etc accumulated and how many left. Kids want to get to play on Sundays. Yes, the development is great, but if you can't show your talents on the field, then what are you doing? QBs don't make the league by sitting and developing with no actual game film. My main statement is that the best will play, and that still rings true. Day will develop, but the best players will see the field, and the others will not.
 
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Are we doing the Fromm discussion again? Here's something high school QBs should really care about when picking a college offense/program/head coach:

Dwayne Haskins has made $14.4 million in the NFL - fully guaranteed.
Justin Fields will make $18.8 million in the NFL - fully guaranteed.

Jake Fromm has made $900k in the NFL. If he can stick with the Bills, he might make $3.6 million by 2023. Maybe.
 
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Dryden said:
Are we doing the Fromm discussion again? Here's something high school QBs should really care about when picking a college offense/program/head coach:

Dwayne Haskins has made $14.4 million in the NFL - fully guaranteed.
Justin Fields will make $18.8 million in the NFL - fully guaranteed.

Jake Fromm has made $900k in the NFL. If he can stick with the Bills, he might make $3.6 million by 2023. Maybe.
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Hmm did Haskins and Fields profit off the NameImageLikeness of tOSU or was it strictly talent/the individual..Haskins?
 
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Onebuckfan said:
Hmm did Haskins and Fields profit off the NameImageLikeness of tOSU or was it strictly talent/the individual..Haskins?
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They profited off of:
- Their talent
- Their coaching
- Their exposure
- The OSU brand

Players can benefit while also having their likeness exploited/stolen.

Meanwhile every other QB in my 38 years has been mostly useless to the NFL despite all of that brand and exposure.

And the most valuable QBs in that era:
- Terrelle Pryor, arguably a bigger recruit than Ewers (before college), had his career ruined by getting his under the table
- Troy Smith, possibly the best OSU qb before Fields, almost had his career sidetracked for the same. Wasted OSU's best team in 40 years (You can argue about Day's since).
- JT Barrett, top-6 qb easily, didn't take that backroom payday, made huge sums for OSU/ESPN/BTN (arguably his greatest value was as a lightning rod, which is great for ratings).
 
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