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QB Julian "Just" Sayin (Official Thread)

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I don't know how anyone could not want iron sharpening iron in the WHAC.

Did Saban not being loyal to Hurts cost him anything? Fuck no. This is the Day I want. I am assuming there are tons of other examples of this, but, I digress.

Loyalty?

Where were the cries for Hayden when Judkins came on down? Someone actually in the program for years....

Hate to break it to you, it's win now or the 80% to 100% of the staff is fired & gone... and then what? Will the next coach be loyal to Air?

Honestly, this is worse than NFL but it's kill or be killed and raising the ceiling (or floor) is very beneficial for Day.

We win a title, or go back to back with deep playoff runs with B1G titles: you think recruiting falls off because we want the best players in the WHAC and our coach isn't playing politics/loyalty?
 
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knuckifyoubuck said:
I don't know how anyone could not want iron sharpening iron in the WHAC
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This isn't iron sharpening iron. Iron sharpening iron is having good CBs covering good WRs. This isn't that.
knuckifyoubuck said:
Did Saban not being loyal to Hurts cost him anything?
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Unfortunately, Day isn't Saban. Saban has a little bit of leeway in that he's......you know.....the best ever. Terrible comparison.

knuckifyoubuck said:
Where were the cries for Hayden when Judkins came on down?
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QB is a onesie position, RB isn't. And there were questions about what Hayden would do......even though this is another terrible comparison because Sayin and Noland are in the same class.

knuckifyoubuck said:
Hate to break it to you, it's win now or the 80% to 100% of the staff is fired & gone... and then what? Will the next coach be loyal to Air?
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So getting a freshman QB is automatically a win now move? Nah.




Just blindly banging your chest and acting like chemistry doesn't matter because unga bunga me strong, me play foot ball. And I can already see the cave man brain response of "oh then we should never go after a transfer ever again".......that's not what is being argued. Just in this unique situation, the POTENTIAL upgrade doesn't seem worth the POTENTIAL downside.

Edit: this is worded like an asshole. I regret it but I'm leaving it bc I'm sitting in my shame.
 
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pnuts34 said:
The fact that you said that Saban had been operating like this, shows that CFB had already been like this, it’s just more wild now and everyone does it above board.
Noland isn’t getting tossed into the fire, ImO. He’s being asked to compete against another QB. Neither Sayin or Noland were going to start in ‘24, so next year is a learning year and hopefully be able to see what they can do in garbage time.

There was a line in the sand after the loss to scUM, and that line was cut deeper after the loss to Mizzou. I’m sure you’d have more concerns if Day stood pat and didn’t entertain bringing in Sayin(or any other future transfers who could upset the Apple cart). I don’t want to feel again how I felt when the season ended for OSU, 2 consecutive losses, a 3rd straight loss to scUM, and then watch them win the NC. I want the best players in the country every year, and at every position. And if that upsets a current player, then there’s the door. Play the best, and who wants to stay, fall in line and let the next man replace him when he’s gone. OSU now has an AD that knows the power of utilizing NIL, and the collectives(at least one publicly) seem to be stepping up in a big way to support Bjork and Day
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I understand all these points. As a program we feel the impact of what Ewers did by coming and then transferring less than a year later.

OSU and Day laid a huge pile of excrement in the Cotton Bowl, and OSU was ragged on (unfairly) because of transfers. Noland stated publicly he was all in on OSU during that dark time.

He was loyal. I think this is a dangerous road OSU is traveling, and once this happens, there is no going back.

OSU loses the right preach loyalty to recruits.

We shall see I guess.
 
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osuvictory1 said:
I understand all these points. As a program we feel the impact of what Ewers did by coming and then transferring less than a year later.

OSU and Day laid a huge pile of excrement in the Cotton Bowl, and OSU was ragged on (unfairly) because of transfers. Noland stated publicly he was all in on OSU during that dark time.

He was loyal. I think this is a dangerous road OSU is traveling, and once this happens, there is no going back.

OSU loses the right preach loyalty to recruits.

We shall see I guess.
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Yes, I get that Noland was loyal. But how many recruits have been loyal to OSU over the years, only to flip, or transfer somewhere else without as much as a reason(and we don't deserve one, tbh)? These are the decisions that will set the teams fighting for an NC yearly apart. I know for one, that if Urban were the HC this wouldn't be much of a decision, take Sayin. HCs like Saban, Smart, Meyer, etc would have no problem with this decision as well. And I purposely said those names because I know people will say that they all have rings and Day doesn't. Well, I would like my HC who has yet to earn an NC acting like the games best who have all won multiple NCs. You would not be able to beat these guys by playing nice. And in the end, I believe Day will be loyal to the best QB in the room. And that's all we can ask of he and BoB, put the best players on the field, and put them in positions to win every game possible

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It appears that Sayin is in if the buckeyes want him. So that makes me think that Day is being very careful and thoughtful with this one and that Air has been contacted and they aren’t going to do it if he’s not ok with it.
These are ultra competitive guys and part of it has to be that they both think they can win. The most likely case is one of them is they lose the battle in 2025 and transfer to another playoff competitor after 1-2 years of quarterback coaching from the guy that they think can get them to the nfl.
 
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I do wonder how Day sells this to Noland or even Sayin. I could see the coaching staff saying that with more scholarship QBs, the less one QB has to play scout team and can get reps with the actual playbook. Realistically how many teams deep do they really go? Like is there a 3rd and 4th team that these guys can get reps with to get to know the playbook?
 
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I’m gonna REALLY go out on a limb here and predict that the staff has accepted his commitment but he’s holding off on announcing till tomorrow so Kirks gets his shine today.

Edit: wait was I supposed to use the sarcasm font? lol
 
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osuvictory1 said:
I understand all these points. As a program we feel the impact of what Ewers did by coming and then transferring less than a year later.

OSU and Day laid a huge pile of excrement in the Cotton Bowl, and OSU was ragged on (unfairly) because of transfers. Noland stated publicly he was all in on OSU during that dark time.

He was loyal. I think this is a dangerous road OSU is traveling, and once this happens, there is no going back.

OSU loses the right preach loyalty to recruits.

We shall see I guess.
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OSU has done this before. Do we not forget Jack Miller/CJ Stroud? Miller was committed for an entire year until CJ was offered late in the recruiting cycle.

You just need to be open with Air and let him know that it is an open competition after 2024. Worst case scenario is he gets a year coaching from some REALLY good coaches who have a history of coaching and developing QB’s and he gets his NIL money. That’s the exact scenario he is in without Sayin.
 
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inliner311 said:
I do wonder how Day sells this to Noland or even Sayin. I could see the coaching staff saying that with more scholarship QBs, the less one QB has to play scout team and can get reps with the actual playbook. Realistically how many teams deep do they really go? Like is there a 3rd and 4th team that these guys can get reps with to get to know the playbook?
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Easy sell. Unless one of them comes in expecting to play this year. Worst case scenario you get paid from NIL and get a year of coaching with 2 coaches who have histories with sone really good QB’s. If they are expecting to play at year 2 and they don’t win the spot, they transfer and get more NIL and find a spot that benefits them.
 
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osubartender23 said:
OSU has done this before. Do we not forget Jack Miller/CJ Stroud? Miller was committed for an entire year until CJ was offered late in the recruiting cycle.

You just need to be open with Air and let him know that it is an open competition after 2024. Worst case scenario is he gets a year coaching from some REALLY good coaches who have a history of coaching and developing QB’s and he gets his NIL money. That’s the exact scenario he is in without Sayin.
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Wasn't Miller injured?
 
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BuckeyeNation27 said:
Wasn't Miller injured?
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Yes
And what also makes the scenario different, is that Miller was committed, but hadn't signed with OSU. So Miller chose to stay and compete, Noland has already signed and enrolled at OSU. He has no choice, but I do think that he's a competitor, and like @osubartender23 said, neither expects to play this year. Collect a check in '24, learn the offense, learn how to read defenses, build a connection with the young WRs. And then battle it out in 2025. I would love to have a scenario where LK, Noland and Sayin are still on the roster battling.
 
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