thats not what i fucking said mr internet tough guy. fuck off.MililaniBuckeye said:Then quit be such a fucking wuss.Waaahhhh
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Be water my friend.
If there are NCAA impropriety issues then he should be gone. Tress needs to send a message.
After all the shit that has gone on, the team "leader" goes out and possibly fucks up the bowl season and possibly Boekman's red shirt.
ESPN doesn't need to make shit up now, do they Troy?? Glad you had Mo's back when all that garbage was being spewed. Maybe he can come forward and back you up now
WILL IT EVER END????
After all the shit that has gone on, the team "leader" goes out and possibly fucks up the bowl season and possibly Boekman's red shirt.
ESPN doesn't need to make shit up now, do they Troy?? Glad you had Mo's back when all that garbage was being spewed. Maybe he can come forward and back you up now
WILL IT EVER END????
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CleveBucks
Serenity now
Guys, I know for a fact that Smith wasn't the only one flashing $100 bills around town last week. Hopefully he is the only one nailed on it though. The alternative would be absolute disaster, and I will leave it at that.
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Tressel, Geiger Discuss Smith Suspension
By Steve Helwagen Managing Editor
Date: Dec 20, 2004
OSU coach Jim Tressel and athletic director Andy Geiger met with the media Monday afternoon to discuss the suspension handed down to quarterback Troy Smith for a violation of unspecified team and NCAA rules.
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<!--Default NodeId For Ohio State is 687,2004-->Ohio State head coach <!--Default NodeId For Jim Tressel is 1192476,2004-->Jim Tressel and athletic director <!--Default NodeId For Andy Geiger is 1322037,2004-->Andy Geiger met with the media this afternoon to discuss the suspension handed down to sophomore quarterback <!--Default NodeId For Troy Smith is 1171621,2004-->Troy Smith.
The university announced earlier in the afternoon that Smith had been suspended and would not play in the Dec. 29 Alamo Bowl as a result of a violation of team and NCAA rules and standards.
Geiger said the university has petitioned the NCAA for Smith’s reinstatement for the 2005 season. Neither he nor Tressel would discuss the nature of Smith’s indiscretions.
This announcement comes one month after ESPN launched an expose into the OSU program where <!--Default For Maurice Clarett is to ignore-->Maurice Clarett and other former players claimed they were lavished with money and no-work jobs. However, Geiger said these allegations involving Smith do not relate to Clarett or any previous issues.
“It’s it’s own thing, number one, even though everybody will try to draw connections,” Geiger said. “It’s disappointing for Troy and it’s disappointing for the football team. But contrary to showing a program that’s not in control, I think this shows a program that’s in control. We just declared our quarterback ineligible. Now, we’re going through the proper procedures. It’s sad for Troy and it’s sad for his teammates and for the coaching staff and the fans and everybody. But we’re doing things the right way.
“He’s ineligible for this game and we have applied for reinstatement for his future.”
Geiger indicated that the university was made aware of possible rules violations involving Smith.
“We got some information,” the AD said. “We researched it and investigated it ourselves. We discovered there was truth to the incident report. We declared him ineligible and reported it to the NCAA and we’re now applying for reinstatement. We’ve had similar things before. This is not a new procedure.
“We found out Thursday, acted Friday and we’re completing it at this point.”
Geiger said the school will not reveal the nature of Smith’s rules violations: “We’re not going to disclose the exact nature of what happened and that’s the way it is. It’s in the nature of NCAA rules.”
The AD also said OSU does not expect to have to forfeit any games over these rules violations. Geiger did not provide an exact timetable for when any violations may have occurred.
“The litmus test (for university sanctions) is did we know, should we have known?” he said.
Geiger believes Smith should be reinstated by the NCAA in time for spring practice.
“When he gets reinstated for eligibility remains to be seen, but we’re confident he will play next season,” Geiger said.
The Coach Speaks
Tressel also shared his viewpoints on this latest controversy to hit the OSU program.
“Troy has broken team rules and NCAA rules,” Tressel said. “You lose privileges for playing the game. We have appealed to have reinstatement but it wouldn’t be for this game. That’s about as specific as we can be.
“We became aware of something we needed to research on Thursday, so that’s what we’ve been doing the last few days. What we’re doing right now … is self-imposing a suspension and then seeking reinstatement for the future, not for this game, though.”
Tressel had a chance to discuss the matter with Smith, who became a household name around the state with his play in OSU’s season-ending win over <!--Default For Michigan is to ignore-->Michigan.
“Obviously, he feels terrible that he didn’t take care of his responsibilities as he should have,” Tressel said. “He feels terrible for his teammates. He’s anxious to be back with his team in the winter. He knows he can’t travel or play in the game.
“In fact, the statement he said to me was, `I understand I’ll start at the bottom of the totem pole when I get back. I understand that’s what I should do.’ ”
The coach talked about what he was thinking when he got the news that Smith was in hot water.
“It was a huge surprise,” he said. “Watching him grow and mature and so forth, it is a huge surprise. I asked the coaches to call their position people and let them know there was something on the horizon. I’m sure every one of them it impacted them differently. But they know that like any time anything happens, we confront it, we handle it and we move on.”
Sophomore <!--Default NodeId For Justin Zwick is 1168111,2004-->Justin Zwick will now start at quarterback against <!--Default For Oklahoma State is to ignore-->Oklahoma State, while freshman <!--Default NodeId For Todd Boeckman is 1161166,2004-->Todd Boeckman – who has not played all season in hopes of redshirting – would be the backup, Tressel said.
“The one thing I’ve said to some of our staff that is disconcerting as anything is that Todd Boeckman is one play from being in the game,” Tressel said. “He worked so hard to position himself to redshirt and have an opportunity at more years. That may not happen.
“But, obviously, we feel good about Justin Zwick. We know in the game of football on the first play of the game, you could move up to the top spot. We’ll cross that bridge.”
Zwick has not played since leaving the <!--Default For Iowa is to ignore-->Iowa game in week six with a shoulder injury. But Tressel has confidence in him.
“I didn’t talk to Justin,” Tressel said. “Contrary to popular opinion, I’m not the quarterbacks coach. Even though when they throw picks, I’m supposed to be. Coach (Joe) Daniels was supposed to call him. Justin, he’s been a guy preparing for a bowl game and looking forward to the opportunity and appreciative of the opportunities he had before. I’m sure he’ll do a great job.”
Tressel also refused to go in detail about Smith’s rules infractions.
“That’s the privacy of being a student-athlete,” Tressel said. “All we can do is when we get enough information is confront that. That’s what we’ve done here today and pay the penalties and handle what happens from here, without being specific of what it’s all about.
“We’re dealing with humans. We’re dealing with kids and dealing with people who impact kids and people who sometimes don’t give kids great advice. I think you go all the way to the bitter end with a stiff upper lip and try to figure out better ways you can get messages across even better. You handle it when you haven’t.”
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Tressel, Geiger Discuss Smith Suspension
By Steve Helwagen Managing Editor
Date: Dec 20, 2004
OSU coach Jim Tressel and athletic director Andy Geiger met with the media Monday afternoon to discuss the suspension handed down to quarterback Troy Smith for a violation of unspecified team and NCAA rules.
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<!--Default NodeId For Ohio State is 687,2004-->Ohio State head coach <!--Default NodeId For Jim Tressel is 1192476,2004-->Jim Tressel and athletic director <!--Default NodeId For Andy Geiger is 1322037,2004-->Andy Geiger met with the media this afternoon to discuss the suspension handed down to sophomore quarterback <!--Default NodeId For Troy Smith is 1171621,2004-->Troy Smith.
The university announced earlier in the afternoon that Smith had been suspended and would not play in the Dec. 29 Alamo Bowl as a result of a violation of team and NCAA rules and standards.
Geiger said the university has petitioned the NCAA for Smith’s reinstatement for the 2005 season. Neither he nor Tressel would discuss the nature of Smith’s indiscretions.
This announcement comes one month after ESPN launched an expose into the OSU program where <!--Default For Maurice Clarett is to ignore-->Maurice Clarett and other former players claimed they were lavished with money and no-work jobs. However, Geiger said these allegations involving Smith do not relate to Clarett or any previous issues.
“It’s it’s own thing, number one, even though everybody will try to draw connections,” Geiger said. “It’s disappointing for Troy and it’s disappointing for the football team. But contrary to showing a program that’s not in control, I think this shows a program that’s in control. We just declared our quarterback ineligible. Now, we’re going through the proper procedures. It’s sad for Troy and it’s sad for his teammates and for the coaching staff and the fans and everybody. But we’re doing things the right way.
“He’s ineligible for this game and we have applied for reinstatement for his future.”
Geiger indicated that the university was made aware of possible rules violations involving Smith.
“We got some information,” the AD said. “We researched it and investigated it ourselves. We discovered there was truth to the incident report. We declared him ineligible and reported it to the NCAA and we’re now applying for reinstatement. We’ve had similar things before. This is not a new procedure.
“We found out Thursday, acted Friday and we’re completing it at this point.”
Geiger said the school will not reveal the nature of Smith’s rules violations: “We’re not going to disclose the exact nature of what happened and that’s the way it is. It’s in the nature of NCAA rules.”
The AD also said OSU does not expect to have to forfeit any games over these rules violations. Geiger did not provide an exact timetable for when any violations may have occurred.
“The litmus test (for university sanctions) is did we know, should we have known?” he said.
Geiger believes Smith should be reinstated by the NCAA in time for spring practice.
“When he gets reinstated for eligibility remains to be seen, but we’re confident he will play next season,” Geiger said.
The Coach Speaks
Tressel also shared his viewpoints on this latest controversy to hit the OSU program.
“Troy has broken team rules and NCAA rules,” Tressel said. “You lose privileges for playing the game. We have appealed to have reinstatement but it wouldn’t be for this game. That’s about as specific as we can be.
“We became aware of something we needed to research on Thursday, so that’s what we’ve been doing the last few days. What we’re doing right now … is self-imposing a suspension and then seeking reinstatement for the future, not for this game, though.”
Tressel had a chance to discuss the matter with Smith, who became a household name around the state with his play in OSU’s season-ending win over <!--Default For Michigan is to ignore-->Michigan.
“Obviously, he feels terrible that he didn’t take care of his responsibilities as he should have,” Tressel said. “He feels terrible for his teammates. He’s anxious to be back with his team in the winter. He knows he can’t travel or play in the game.
“In fact, the statement he said to me was, `I understand I’ll start at the bottom of the totem pole when I get back. I understand that’s what I should do.’ ”
The coach talked about what he was thinking when he got the news that Smith was in hot water.
“It was a huge surprise,” he said. “Watching him grow and mature and so forth, it is a huge surprise. I asked the coaches to call their position people and let them know there was something on the horizon. I’m sure every one of them it impacted them differently. But they know that like any time anything happens, we confront it, we handle it and we move on.”
Sophomore <!--Default NodeId For Justin Zwick is 1168111,2004-->Justin Zwick will now start at quarterback against <!--Default For Oklahoma State is to ignore-->Oklahoma State, while freshman <!--Default NodeId For Todd Boeckman is 1161166,2004-->Todd Boeckman – who has not played all season in hopes of redshirting – would be the backup, Tressel said.
“The one thing I’ve said to some of our staff that is disconcerting as anything is that Todd Boeckman is one play from being in the game,” Tressel said. “He worked so hard to position himself to redshirt and have an opportunity at more years. That may not happen.
“But, obviously, we feel good about Justin Zwick. We know in the game of football on the first play of the game, you could move up to the top spot. We’ll cross that bridge.”
Zwick has not played since leaving the <!--Default For Iowa is to ignore-->Iowa game in week six with a shoulder injury. But Tressel has confidence in him.
“I didn’t talk to Justin,” Tressel said. “Contrary to popular opinion, I’m not the quarterbacks coach. Even though when they throw picks, I’m supposed to be. Coach (Joe) Daniels was supposed to call him. Justin, he’s been a guy preparing for a bowl game and looking forward to the opportunity and appreciative of the opportunities he had before. I’m sure he’ll do a great job.”
Tressel also refused to go in detail about Smith’s rules infractions.
“That’s the privacy of being a student-athlete,” Tressel said. “All we can do is when we get enough information is confront that. That’s what we’ve done here today and pay the penalties and handle what happens from here, without being specific of what it’s all about.
“We’re dealing with humans. We’re dealing with kids and dealing with people who impact kids and people who sometimes don’t give kids great advice. I think you go all the way to the bitter end with a stiff upper lip and try to figure out better ways you can get messages across even better. You handle it when you haven’t.”
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brutus2002
Legend
The fucking bastard that gave him benefits ought to be banned from the OSU campus permanently. What kind of fucking assholes give benefits to players when they are under investigation and what kind of douchebag would take them!! I guess we now know why Zwick was the starter at the beginning of the year. I bet if the truth be told Smith has had runins before this. I had heard rumors but I didn't believe them.
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sandgk
Watson, Crick & A Twist
Just what message would he send -- and how?bukIpower said:
Me - I'm just very sad about this whole development.
And that's the bottom line really. It's not (apparently) good enough to try and have certain players act as good, responsible tOSU ambassadors. You've got to take steps to shut down the pipeline through which any gravy flows. That'll require a coordianted effort by AD, tOSU and its alumni network.brutus2002 said:
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Sloopy45
Pimp Minister Sinister
brutus2002: "The fucking bastard that gave him benefits ought to be banned from the OSU campus permanently. What kind of fucking assholes give benefits to players when they are under investigation and what kind of douchebag would take them!!"
Are you naive enough to think that any kind of benefits stopped after the MoC article?? Are you crazy??
The $100 handshakes will always happen, like the sun rising in the East. What's dumb was to take that money down to a bar two weeks after the Clarett article and flash it around it with every Tom, Dick, & Harry knowing the procedures (from the article) and looking at you like hawks.
Are you naive enough to think that any kind of benefits stopped after the MoC article?? Are you crazy??
The $100 handshakes will always happen, like the sun rising in the East. What's dumb was to take that money down to a bar two weeks after the Clarett article and flash it around it with every Tom, Dick, & Harry knowing the procedures (from the article) and looking at you like hawks.
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martinss01
blissfully stupid
i think i know why troy didn't get a "fair shake" at the begining of the year...
if we are already requesting reinstatement it probably isn't as bad as it sounds. i imagine tressel and AG aren't dumb enough to try to gloss over something big at this point. its not like the alamo bowl is do or die here...
on the flip side, my god how stupid can you be?!? im sorry, but i pin this 100% on troy. you can't tell me he doesn't know the rules. you can't tell me he doesn't know the situation with espin. yet he is not only taking money. but he is flashing it? are you fricken retarded??? isn't that like shooting up heroin on the courthouse steps? this is just an opinion, but i doubt troy will ever get another shot at a starting position at OSU. i think he just suicided himself. talk about doing something stupid at the absolute worst possible time.
and yet another flip side
. for the team he couldn't have picked a much better time to do something stupid. other than during a bye week there is no better point in our schedule to get a new starter into the swing of things. all we can do is hope zwick can carry the load and his time on the bench has woke him up. personally im not conscerned about a qb switch at this stage.
smith's carrier at tOSU is likely done. reinstatement is incidental.
if we are already requesting reinstatement it probably isn't as bad as it sounds. i imagine tressel and AG aren't dumb enough to try to gloss over something big at this point. its not like the alamo bowl is do or die here...
on the flip side, my god how stupid can you be?!? im sorry, but i pin this 100% on troy. you can't tell me he doesn't know the rules. you can't tell me he doesn't know the situation with espin. yet he is not only taking money. but he is flashing it? are you fricken retarded??? isn't that like shooting up heroin on the courthouse steps? this is just an opinion, but i doubt troy will ever get another shot at a starting position at OSU. i think he just suicided himself. talk about doing something stupid at the absolute worst possible time.
and yet another flip side
. for the team he couldn't have picked a much better time to do something stupid. other than during a bye week there is no better point in our schedule to get a new starter into the swing of things. all we can do is hope zwick can carry the load and his time on the bench has woke him up. personally im not conscerned about a qb switch at this stage. smith's carrier at tOSU is likely done. reinstatement is incidental.
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Preacher
Newbie
What does Coach Tressel do now?
Ted Ginn, Jr. was suppose to have played as an option quarterback in high school. Does he play any at this position in this game. Or is to late to put the option in? What if Zwick gets hurt, does Boeckman play? If he does their goes his red shirt. Will Smith be back for the 2005 season?
Ted Ginn, Jr. was suppose to have played as an option quarterback in high school. Does he play any at this position in this game. Or is to late to put the option in? What if Zwick gets hurt, does Boeckman play? If he does their goes his red shirt. Will Smith be back for the 2005 season?
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Onebuckfan
classof76
Let's take a stand
Why should Troy Smith be reinstated? Are you telling me he made an honest mistake? With all the Mc stuff going on? He did something wrong and should pay a price. By asking for his reinstatment after only one game are AG and JT excusing his behavior? This program is being attacked on all sides instead of crying about the messengers its time to take a stand against irresponsible behaviors and treat these athletes as men..not to continue to coddle them. What's next ask for MC's reinstatement?!
Why should Troy Smith be reinstated? Are you telling me he made an honest mistake? With all the Mc stuff going on? He did something wrong and should pay a price. By asking for his reinstatment after only one game are AG and JT excusing his behavior? This program is being attacked on all sides instead of crying about the messengers its time to take a stand against irresponsible behaviors and treat these athletes as men..not to continue to coddle them. What's next ask for MC's reinstatement?!
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