Rich Rodriguez (official thread of last laughs)

[jimotis4heisman]

system offensive linemen is such a load of bull, if you are good enough for the NFL you are good enough to block in any system a college coach can dream up period

you really believe that? you think that larry allen would be good in a pulling/trapping or cut block system?

recruiting smaller more agile guys to "fit the system" is just an excuse for programs that can't haul in elite lineman

michigan cannot haul in elite lineman? where have you been the last 20 years?

this is yet another example of how remarkably stupid Rodriguez is highlighted by his absolute inability to realize that he is not in West Virginia anymore and he can go after elite talent at Michigan... well, he could go after elite talent, maybe not so much anymore

could be. that is another discussion and one that is certainly more valid than stating um cant or hasnt gotten elite ol. further saying that any elite player can be plugged into any system. additionally, it makes the assumption that most of these hacks who do ratings actually walk on water, when in reality their is a reason few if any have ever seen the world from inside a program or nfl org....

 

[buckeyemania11]

Rich Rodriguez's record as head coach (D1A)

With Pat White and Steve Slaton

32-5 86% Win Percentage

Without Pat White and Steve Slaton

36-37 49% Win Percentage

the man got lucky and hit the jackpot in a weak conference, since then hes been praying he hits it again (and failed) and struggled terribly

 

[BrutusBobcat]

additionally, it makes the assumption that most of these hacks who do ratings actually walk on water, when in reality their is a reason few if any have ever seen the world from inside a program or nfl org....

Completely agree. The notable issue with RR recruits isn't the star ratings -- it's the lack of other big school offers these kids have. Michigan isn't the only school in the country playing a spread or needing "agile" linemen, and yet they're competing with MAC schools, Big East bottom feeders and C-USA for kids.

RR isn't recruiting like he's still at WVU; that's an insult to the 'eers. He's recruiting like he's still at Tulane. If the RR apologists are whining about Carr's "bare cupboards" now, when he left them with a number of kids who were/will be first day picks, just wait until they're 2-3 years into the next regime and haven't had a kid sniff Sunday football since Brandon Graham.

 

[Buckeye86]

you really believe that?

yes

you think that larry allen would be good in a pulling/trapping or cut block system?

and yes, Larry Allen would be excellent no matter what system he played in

cut blocks are used to compensate for a lack of talent or size... why would you make Larry Allen cut block?

I realize that Rodriguez probably would because he is a fucking moron, but if you have a guy like Larry Allen just let him play

I know this concept is foreign to a guy like Rodriguez, but you can make adjustments, for instance, let the other guard pull around the devastating gap down block that Larry Allen is capable of delivering, and if you have two Larry Allens at guard and still insist on keeping your "system" in place, you are an idiot

the bottom line is that "system" offensive lines are used to compensate for lack of size or talent, if you have elite lineman a system becomes completely unnecessary

michigan cannot haul in elite lineman? where have you been the last 20 years?

I wasn't talking about Michigan, I was talking about programs that claim they recruit smaller offensive lineman to fit their system, like West Virginia or Minnesota

 

[Buckeye86]

it makes the assumption that most of these hacks who do ratings actually walk on water, when in reality their is a reason few if any have ever seen the world from inside a program or nfl org....

I wasn't referring to recruiting rankings to make the claim that he was one of the best offensive lineman in the Midwest, I was using the fact that every regional power other than Michigan (Ohio State, Penn State, and Notre Dame) were going after the kid hard while Michigan was not

 

[jimotis4heisman]

yes



and yes, Larry Allen would be excellent no matter what system he played in

cut blocks are used to compensate for a lack of talent or size... why would you make Larry Allen cut block?

I realize that Rodriguez probably would because he is a [censored]ing moron, but if you have a guy like Larry Allen just let him play

I know this concept is foreign to a guy like Rodriguez, but you can make adjustments, for instance, let the other guard pull around the devastating gap down block that Larry Allen is capable of delivering, and if you have two Larry Allens at guard and still insist on keeping your "system" in place, you are an idiot

the bottom line is that "system" offensive lines are used to compensate for lack of size or talent, if you have elite lineman a system becomes completely unnecessary



I wasn't talking about Michigan, I was talking about programs that claim they recruit smaller offensive lineman to fit their system, like West Virginia or Minnesota

but you specifically dig on um for doing it, so that doesnt really connect...

you stick to that since you dont have two larry allens, a j odgen, o pace and j saturday. certainly some teams can line up and out play you, but how effective is that really? how many teams can do that. id say a team every couple of years, unless you have bud wilkins as your coach it just doesnt happen. technique, scheme go right along with talent. team sports is a thing of synergies. further talent pools are limited and in those cases you mention specifically here they dont have deep in state pools to pick from.

 

[jwinslow]

michigan cannot haul in elite lineman? where have you been the last 20 years?

Jim we are discussing Rich Rodriguez, not Carr or Moeller.

that is another discussion and one that is certainly more valid than stating um cant or hasnt gotten elite ol.

You missed his point. He was exposing that bogus excuse as one used to ignore shortcomings as recruiters.

Outside of Taylor Lewan, he has taken a lot of Michigan State / West Virginia caliber linemen.

but you specifically dig on um for doing it, so that doesnt really connect...

What doesn't connect is what you're talking about. Michigan has a rich tradition of elite linemen. RR has recruited well below that standard, and it's more than just targeting a different style of linemen.

After 2008 was a disaster (in part because their trim linemen got pushed all over the field), they changed their S&C approach in terms of ideal weight for their linemen.

 

[jimotis4heisman]

Jim we are discussing Rich Rodriguez, not Carr or Moeller.You missed his point. He was exposing that bogus excuse as one used to ignore shortcomings as recruiters.

Outside of Taylor Lewan, he has taken a lot of Michigan State / West Virginia caliber linemen.

he specifically state "programs" not coaches. to me the program is the institution (unless used in a movie context.

certainly, but then again im not convince you need superstars to win. but sure you can question who/what he has put together. but i think its quite obvious that wisco, iowa, nebraska have been able to put together some great lines with worse talent.

system can be an excuse, or a reality. depending on how you look at it.

 

[Buckeye86]

but you specifically dig on um for doing it, so that doesnt really connect...

you stick to that since you dont have two larry allens, a j odgen, o pace and j saturday. certainly some teams can line up and out play you, but how effective is that really? how many teams can do that. id say a team every couple of years, unless you have bud wilkins as your coach it just doesnt happen. technique, scheme go right along with talent. team sports is a thing of synergies. further talent pools are limited and in those cases you mention specifically here they dont have deep in state pools to pick from.

okay, one more time and then I am done with this, I was talking specifically about recruiting quality offensive lineman

I understand that you can't have the best offensive line in football every year but does that mean you shouldn't try to recruit the best offensive lineman in your own backyard?

and you are exactly right, WVU and Minnesota don't have deep in state pools, which is why they employ system offensive lines

Michigan does have a pool to recruit from, it's called Ohio, and there is a kid named Anthony Stanko in the 2012 class that every other school in the region is going after hard because he is a top tier talent, and for some reason, presumably because Rodriguez is hell bent on his system, Michigan is not pursuing him

that makes Rodriguez a moron, as I pointed out, I have no idea why you are trying to argue with me about this

 

[NFBuck]

Still an ass.

 

[jwinslow]

he specifically state "programs" not coaches. to me the program is the institution (unless used in a movie context.

It was a pretty obvious connection in a thread about Rich Rodriguez, and people bagging on him for recruiting at a West Virginia level (aka programs who have "smaller guys [for their system]", but really its "just an excuse for programs that can't haul in elite lineman")

system can be an excuse, or a reality. depending on how you look at it.

Of course there are good systems out there with different styles and prototypes.

If his system was that limiting, Aundrey Walker would not have an offer.

 

[muffler dragon]

Seriously, you made made do such an obvious fify?

uhh, what?

 

[brutus2002]

I have noticed a very bad trend for Michigan. There are some serious stud OL in Ohio that do not have OSU offers...Clark, Boles, and Kelly...not one of them is seriously considering Michigan. In the past these kids would have been all over a Michigan offer. Michigan is no longer the apple of midwestern OL eyes. Look back 10 years and see how well Michigan recruited Midwestern OL...They tore shit up. Nowadays its like they have crap lice.

Michigan might get Zettel but thats because he is an instate kid. IMO Michigan better get ahold of iuts linemen recruiting on both sides of the ball...shot Williams to Nebraska would have been Williams to Michigan 5 years ago...I think RR needs an extension.

 

[Rich_Rodriguez]

Michigan might get Zettel but thats because he is an instate kid. IMO Michigan better get ahold of iuts linemen recruiting on both sides of the ball...shot Williams to Nebraska would have been Williams to Michigan 5 years ago...I think RR needs an extension.

First off, I agree on the extension. I mean I have taken this program to places it's never been before, and will continue to do so.

Now linemen, see I got a strategy, the key to making a fast quarterback is to see how well he can run for his life, it;s all about improing the qb's speed here, not protecting the little panzy.

 

[zwem]

This was just posted in the recruiting forum:



and I just wanted to congratulate Rodriguez on not even going after what is clearly one of the top offensive line prospects in the Midwest, keep up the good work you [censored]ing moron, I'm sure there are plenty of 3 stars down in Florida that are better for your system anyways

RR should at least try to have contact with this kid. The chances of landing him is slim but it's worth a shot.