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Unrelated but I know some people aren't happy that the new President doesn't have a PHD. Well even less people have been Admirals in the Navy and I find that highly appealing to be frank.

And even less of THOSE admirals have been through the Navy’s Strike Fighter Tactics Instructor program. Add in the fact that roughly 1% of Americans serve. He is literally the 1% of the 1% - who cares about a PhD? Not a whole lot of time to work on dissertations when you’re deployed, TDY, or flying - it’s a VERY hard life. His combat hours speak for his time away from school.

For perspective, having been a career AF aviator, I’ve been through Advanced Airlift Tactics training (dogfighting), advanced mountain courses, HALO/HAHO, and plenty of other training, and that’s nothing compared to his accomplishments. I couldn’t even imagine going through TOPGUN and someone saying “yeah well you don’t have a piece of paper from a university acknowledging you did some schoolwork studies.” I’m absolutely over the moon for this hire. He has all the qualifications and qualities you would want in a leader. I would rather he mentor me than half the professors I had with cool LinkedIn acronyms after their last name.
 
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I would rather he mentor me than half the professors I had with cool LinkedIn acronyms after their last name.
I think you can praise Carter's credentials and leadership experience without disparaging the credentials of what other academics have achieved.

Is having a PhD a requirement to preside over a university? Same thing as asking if being a lawyer is a requirement to run a law firm. Or, if being an MD is a requirement to run a hospital. Maybe not. But you can't avoid the question given the alignment between what those professional credentials mean, the pool of the workforce (particularly internal leadership), and the mission and governance of those organizations.
 
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I think you can praise Carter's credentials and leadership experience without disparaging the credentials of what other academics have achieved.

Is having a PhD a requirement to preside over a university? Same thing as asking if being a lawyer is a requirement to run a law firm. Or, if being an MD is a requirement to run a hospital. Maybe not. But you can't avoid the question given the alignment between what those professional credentials mean, the pool of the workforce (particularly internal leadership), and the mission and governance of those organizations.

I’m not disparaging the accomplishments of schoolwork, nor am I disrespecting anyone. I’ve worked plenty hard on my engineering and business degrees. I understand the rigors of academia. But I also understand that studying at a university doesn’t provide the hands-on guidance and experience as being in the military, especially at the level Carter was at. The discipline it takes to study flight maneuvers, aircraft mechanics, combat situations, etc. while also leading hundreds of Seamen and top brass is way more intense than writing a college paper. I’m sort, it just is. A degree isn’t a barometer of leadership, only a reflection of completing a program while leading yourself - not others. Now, we’re talking about a man who not only graduated from but also commanded the Naval War College. Naval War College attendees aren’t just 17-20 year olds working on a degree while hitting up the clubs. We’re talking about leading men and women who already have undergraduate degrees and are working towards their masters while taking on elite flight training with life/death consequences every flight. And then turning around and conditioning your body in the gym, studying for in-class academic tests, and still keeping a rapport with your troops back home. It’s something I doubt most normal college students wouldn’t make through a week of… I’m sorry, but that kind of acumen and leadership doesn’t need a PhD and MORE than fulfills a requirement to oversee Ohio State students.

And yes, a law firm should be ran by someone who has a law background, an a hospital ran by someone with a medical background. So a university should be ran by someone who has a deep understanding of collegiate athletics and college work, something Carter has decades of. So I’m not sure why you think he doesn’t check these boxes. Do you not think he has the academic background, money or time to get a PhD - or do you think it’s just not necessary at this point in his career?
 
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He's here to get NIL $ for Ohio St. with all the new additions to the conference. That's what I get out of his talk.
Not just that. It sounds like he's here to lead us through the future of athletics and pay to play as well. As he basically came out and said they need to separate the big schools from the little and lead on athlete compensation instead of being forced into it.
 
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I once had a good friend who was also the president of a small college teach me what all of those academic acronyms really mean (and he had a PhD).

BS - Well, we all know what BS is. We deal with it one way or another every day. And I must deal with it fairly well, since I have one of those.
MS - More of the same.
PhD - Piled higher and deeper.

He used to tell me he was a doctor, just not the kind who could do you any good. And I'm not trying to disparage those who have multiple degrees. But my experience is sometimes the person without as many initials after his name is better equipped than someone with a lot of initials. If he is smart enough to surround himself with the right people Carter can be an excellent president and Bjork can be an excellent AD.
 
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If Bjork actually has a spine against the NCAA/B1G when he needs to, improves our NIL front, and makes the tough decisions on coaches (likely more than one coming up), he'll probably win me over. I've read the complaints on him but I see a lot of upside with this hire frankly...could end up being an improvement. But seeing is believing, so I'll reserve judgment until the early results are in.
 
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I’m not disparaging the accomplishments of schoolwork, nor am I disrespecting anyone. I’ve worked plenty hard on my engineering and business degrees. I understand the rigors of academia. But I also understand that studying at a university doesn’t provide the hands-on guidance and experience as being in the military, especially at the level Carter was at. The discipline it takes to study flight maneuvers, aircraft mechanics, combat situations, etc. while also leading hundreds of Seamen and top brass is way more intense than writing a college paper. I’m sort, it just is. A degree isn’t a barometer of leadership, only a reflection of completing a program while leading yourself - not others. Now, we’re talking about a man who not only graduated from but also commanded the Naval War College. Naval War College attendees aren’t just 17-20 year olds working on a degree while hitting up the clubs. We’re talking about leading men and women who already have undergraduate degrees and are working towards their masters while taking on elite flight training with life/death consequences every flight. And then turning around and conditioning your body in the gym, studying for in-class academic tests, and still keeping a rapport with your troops back home. It’s something I doubt most normal college students wouldn’t make through a week of… I’m sorry, but that kind of acumen and leadership doesn’t need a PhD and MORE than fulfills a requirement to oversee Ohio State students.

And yes, a law firm should be ran by someone who has a law background, an a hospital ran by someone with a medical background. So a university should be ran by someone who has a deep understanding of collegiate athletics and college work, something Carter has decades of. So I’m not sure why you think he doesn’t check these boxes. Do you not think he has the academic background, money or time to get a PhD - or do you think it’s just not necessary at this point in his career?
I haven't made any claim against Carter's ability to lead - not sure why you think I did. I just think you can praise Carter without describing the hard work it takes to get a PhD as a "cool LinkedIn acronym after their last name".

A President of a top-50 public university and R1 research intensive university needs to do much, much more than "oversee Ohio State students" and "understand collegiate athletics and college work" (whatever that means).
 
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I haven't made any claim against Carter's ability to lead - not sure why you think I did. I just think you can praise Carter without describing the hard work it takes to get a PhD as a "cool LinkedIn acronym after their last name".

A President of a top-50 public university and R1 research intensive university needs to do much, much more than "oversee Ohio State students" and "understand collegiate athletics and college work" (whatever that means).

I wasn’t directly referring to a PhD as that, but more so the idea that having extra letters after your name somehow makes you more qualified over his life experience. Genuinely sorry if I’ve hurt your feelings over this and you have one (not sure?) and think I’m taking a shot. But again getting a PhD isn’t going to necessarily make him more fit to do anything that he hasn’t already learned. Maybe you can help me understand how him having a PhD in anything other than maybe economics would change anything?
 
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I wasn’t directly referring to a PhD as that, but more so the idea that having extra letters after your name somehow makes you more qualified over his life experience. Genuinely sorry if I’ve hurt your feelings over this and you have one (not sure?) and think I’m taking a shot. But again getting a PhD isn’t going to necessarily make him more fit to do anything that he hasn’t already learned. Maybe you can help me understand how him having a PhD in anything other than maybe economics would change anything?
I'm not offended, you're all good. I personally think that Carter can be a capable OSU President, but that I understand why some academics would flag his lack of a PhD as an issue - it's a question worth asking. For example, Carter's never been in charge of a research-heavy university. While at the Naval Academy, he presided over an academy of 600 students (no significant research presence) and, while he was the president of the entire University of Nebraska system, each campus of the Nebraska system is led by their own chancellor. That isn't the case at OSU.

Sounds like you have a few degrees but I don't know how familiar you are or not with university governance. I'm just trying to say that, within academic circles, the PhD is both (a) letters after a name and (b) an indicator of ones pursuit of research and learning. In some ways, PhDs work a lot like the trades - they are apprenticeship programs for working under a recognized master, and going through that process indicates that other recognized masters of the trade vetted and approved of your entry into that trade. Conversely, a Bachelor's works like taking a workshop under a master tradesmen - you've learned some things but that learning was distilled and you haven't practiced independent work to a level that has been vetted and approved by masters (this is why there's honorary doctorates, which highlight that "outside practice" has been considered and recognized).

Many folks have a simplified view of how universities are actually governed (folks tend to think of universities as a college, when they're actually a set of more-or-less affiliated colleges, institutes, centers, schools, departments, etc. - each has different degrees of autonomy). OSU is a research-focused university - the research budget is larger than student tuition (and much of that tuition is for professional or research-level degrees in the first place). University research is largely funded, led, and pursued by doctoral-level faculty and staff (PhDs or relevant doctorate-level degrees in their field, like MDs, DVMs, JDs, etc.).

Outside of the Board, Provost, and Chancellors, the university will be governed and administered predominately (but not exclusively) by doctoral-level faculty at most levels (Faculty Senate, Department Chairs, School or College Deans, and other internal admin, like Vice-Presidents, etc.). Further, the shared governance structure of the university will ensure that Carter (or his VP's) will have to deal with long-term, tenured professional academics (PhDs, MDs, DVMs, JDs, etc.) to get much of anything approved and done. Many folks involved will expect that their University President innately understands and respects their professional opportunities, interests, and issues - having a doctorate only serves to imply that they do (but it's only an indicator).

You were confused why folks would question Carter's lack of PhD credentials. To me, the issue is the same as why hospital doctors would be concerned that a businessman is running and overseeing their hospital. The businessman might "get it" already through their outside experience, but their job depends on convincing those doctors of that. In the university example, only 6 of the 950 university presidents hold only a B.S. degree (and none of OSU peer institutions). So Carter is certainly an outside the box hire. Doesn't mean he can't succeed, but I get why folks would ask the question.

*edit 5 minutes later* back to Bjork? haha.
 
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I'm not offended, you're all good. I personally think that Carter can be a capable OSU President, but that I understand why some academics would flag his lack of a PhD as an issue - it's a question worth asking. For example, Carter's never been in charge of a research-heavy university. While at the Naval Academy, he presided over an academy of 600 students (no significant research presence) and, while he was the president of the entire University of Nebraska system, each campus of the Nebraska system is led by their own chancellor. That isn't the case at OSU.

Sounds like you have a few degrees but I don't know how familiar you are or not with university governance. I'm just trying to say that, within academic circles, the PhD is both (a) letters after a name and (b) an indicator of ones pursuit of research and learning. In some ways, PhDs work a lot like the trades - they are apprenticeship programs for working under a recognized master, and going through that process indicates that other recognized masters of the trade vetted and approved of your entry into that trade. Conversely, a Bachelor's works like taking a workshop under a master tradesmen - you've learned some things but that learning was distilled and you haven't practiced independent work to a level that has been vetted and approved by masters (this is why there's honorary doctorates, which highlight that "outside practice" has been considered and recognized).

Many folks have a simplified view of how universities are actually governed (folks tend to think of universities as a college, when they're actually a set of more-or-less affiliated colleges, institutes, centers, schools, departments, etc. - each has different degrees of autonomy). OSU is a research-focused university - the research budget is larger than student tuition (and much of that tuition is for professional or research-level degrees in the first place). University research is largely funded, led, and pursued by doctoral-level faculty and staff (PhDs or relevant doctorate-level degrees in their field, like MDs, DVMs, JDs, etc.).

Outside of the Board, Provost, and Chancellors, the university will be governed and administered predominately (but not exclusively) by doctoral-level faculty at most levels (Faculty Senate, Department Chairs, School or College Deans, and other internal admin, like Vice-Presidents, etc.). Further, the shared governance structure of the university will ensure that Carter (or his VP's) will have to deal with long-term, tenured professional academics (PhDs, MDs, DVMs, JDs, etc.) to get much of anything approved and done. Many folks involved will expect that their University President innately understands and respects their professional opportunities, interests, and issues - having a doctorate only serves to imply that they do (but it's only an indicator).

You were confused why folks would question Carter's lack of PhD credentials. To me, the issue is the same as why hospital doctors would be concerned that a businessman is running and overseeing their hospital. The businessman might "get it" already through their outside experience, but their job depends on convincing those doctors of that. In the university example, only 6 of the 950 university presidents hold only a B.S. degree (and none of OSU peer institutions). So Carter is certainly an outside the box hire. Doesn't mean he can't succeed, but I get why folks would ask the question.

*edit 5 minutes later* back to Bjork? haha.
More detail please.
 
Unrelated but I know some people aren't happy that the new President doesn't have a PHD. Well even less people have been Admirals in the Navy and I find that highly appealing to be frank.
Well, of course. Becoming an Admiral actually requires merit, experience, and professional growth. You can get a PhD without ever leaving your parent’s basement.
 
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