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Star Wars (May the Force be with you)

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Magua said:
Probably because Rian Johnson and Disney killed the franchise and very few people care. I mean, yes it will do well at the box office and people will see it because it's Star Wars but the expectations for this are so extremely low.
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The OG trilogy opens with a whinier than Costanza emo teen learning the force. Without Ford, that movie crashes hard.

Then we found out in the prequels how limited George's skills are without Harrison (and Carrie) to save him.

They wasted the best sith (and best Jedi cast) on a political snoozefest (unless this is all a long con for the jar jar Binks sith plot).

They recovered slightly in the fifth installment, but I'm still not over the emotional scarring of that sand line. It's without doubt the worst line I've ever heard in a movie theater.

But sure, Rian killed it by straying from the same old plot line.

Never mind that they just made the purest SW film of all time in Rogue One and did the nearly impossible and successfully recast Han while Harrison is still alive, with a pretty intriguing new story arc (that traditionalist whines may have now killed).

Star wars was innovative and ground breaking. It was never on equal footing with LotR or tDK for complete trilogies, particularly not after the prequels. People talk about the last installment like it was Anchorman 2.
 
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But sure, Rian killed it by straying from the same old plot line.
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It wasn't the straying that was the problem. The problem was I showed up and saw the OJ Simpson Bronco low speed chase in outer space for a couple hours.

And really, they haven't strayed from the plot lines much at all, I mean, EP 8 is kind of like EP 5... Bad imperial guys counter punch after their death star thing gets blown up, Rey goes to see Yoda I mean Luke who trains her to understand his old man cranky version of the force on the remote planet of Degobah I mean Ach to (bless you) -- How sick of hanging out in remote shitholes do you think R2 is by now, Princess Leia has some bad interactions with some bad guys, they end up together at the end, Yoda dies... I mean, Luke, I mean, you get the point. They couldn't get screwed over by evil capitalist Lando seamlessly at cloud city so they get screwed over by them at the Casino. No one had to cut bait and get to filming Indiana Jones, so I guess that's why no one got frozen in carbonite.

Rian killed it, by sucking at his job.

I don't disagree with the rest of your points, the second (ep 1-3) had a good first hour, a good last hour and endless piles of shit in the middle. Rogue One was excellent. Solo was a neat little movie.. nothing bad to say about it.
 
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AKAK said:
It wasn't the straying that was the problem. The problem was I showed up and saw the OJ Simpson Bronco low speed chase in outer space for a couple hours.
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I would not dispute that criticism.
The "let's save space by going to a planet" sideplot was not as good either.
And really, they haven't strayed from the plot lines much at all, I mean, EP 8 is kind of like EP 5... Bad imperial guys counter punch after their death star thing gets blown up, Rey goes to see Yoda I mean Luke who trains her to understand his old man cranky version of the force on the remote planet of Degobah I mean Ach to (bless you) -- How sick of hanging out in remote shitholes do you think R2 is by now, Princess Leia has some bad interactions with some bad guys, they end up together at the end, Yoda dies... I mean, Luke, I mean, you get the point. They couldn't get screwed over by evil capitalist Lando seamlessly at cloud city so they get screwed over by them at the Casino. No one had to cut bait and get to filming Indiana Jones, so I guess that's why no one got frozen in carbonite.
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:lol: at the end.
Rian killed it, by sucking at his job.
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I think it comes down to whether someone said he ruined this flick or the series.

I also understand that I don't have the same connection to it, as I was born months after RotJ, and was in HS/College during the prequels (confirming the fun, could be fantastic but is instead flawed reality of this universe). I'm quite fond of the universe in general, and there were some spectacular video games. Knights of the Old Republic is one of the greatest games of all time, and with the right direction, that could be a very interesting prequel (though better suited to a series).

It's not like if someone trashed my beloved Star Trek tNG. That said, they made some truly mediocre to terrible movies most of the time and I'd still be there to give them money for a reboot right now. They were so rough that they made Tom Hardy look like a clown.
I don't disagree with the rest of your points, the second (ep 1-3) had a good first hour, a good last hour and endless piles of shit in the middle. Rogue One was excellent. Solo was a neat little movie.. nothing bad to say about it.
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I'm excited to see what the Mandalorian has to offer, though I don't want to reward the 18 streaming platforms.
 
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