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HorseshoeFetish
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buckeyebri;2167598; said:
I have to go with JLB here...are you kidding? The fact that you can even put NCAA and the phrase even across the board in the same paragraph wishing they were capable of doing so astounds me. You might as well ask for congress to step in and make a judgement.
As for the punishment..sure I'd say it's on the extreme side. I'll be willing to bet a lot of players on the team got wide eyed when they heard about it though. That might be well worth it in the long run. If it keeps everyone out of trouble during the summer alone I'll take it. I'd even say that if it keeps a recruit from wanting to come here because he thinks that penalty is to harsh..then I will just have to assume that he's going to get in some trouble elsewhere and I'll salute UFM.
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ORD_Buckeye
Wrong glass, Sir.
Oh8ch;2167600; said:
C'mon. This is about as much about public urination as our troubles last year were about "free tattoos." If they had followed the police officers' orders and accepted their citation, that probably would have been the end of it. Instead, they made the decision to run from the police and an officer was injured in apprehending them.
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JimsSweaterVest
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So Brandon Spikes tries to gouge out an opposing player's eyes, and he gets suspended for one quarter of one game. But Stoneburner and Mewhort get crucified for a little pee-and-run? Give me a break...
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Onebuckfan
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UFM sent a message to the other 100+ players on the team by these suspensions. Jake and Jack were just the first two to screw-up. Urban wants to nip off field incidents in the bud. All the players know there is a Zero tolerance policy.
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JimsSweaterVest;2167778; said:
That was a mistake by Coach Meyer. I'd prefer he not use that as the basis for disciplinary decisions at Ohio State.
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HorseshoeFetish;2167694; said:
So you are saying it would really be that hard for someone to write a sensible rule book? Yeah, we all feel the NCAA screwed us while they let others slide. But, sheesh cone on. How hard is it for example to do something like this....
- First Misdemeanor - 1 game
- Second Misdemeanor - 3 games
- Third Misdemeanor - 1 full season
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Spikes didn't run from the cops.....Stoney and Mewey did. Plain and simple. They F-ed up.
JimsSweaterVest;2167778; said:
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HorseshoeFetish
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buckeyebri;2167791; said:
Well one would think an across the board rule book would be easy to write. I just don't think the NCAA should be involved on a national level. If anything I'd prefer each conference to do it..but then who knows what differences there might be between the BIG, SEc and Pac. Now I could be wrong but laws for different things can vary by the state so what could be a misdemeanor in one state might be a felony in another. I think the laws on weed alone will vary between Florida and Cali and OHIO. So what rules would be even across the board?
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So, just so we're clear:
1) ANY misdemeanor equals a 1 game suspension. Like being too fat to slide over a car.
2) It's easy to write a universal rule book covering all situations. (tip: you might want to cover sneaky pastor dad shenanigans in the next rule book)
and my personal favorite:
3) You want the notoriously inconsistent and subpoena-less NCAA to handle the punishments.
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buckeyebri;2167598; said:
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JBaney45
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buckeyebri;2167791; said:
Well
#1 If we have to wait for the NCAA to do something, they'll have to suspend the starting TE and LT in 2015 per their usual lag in handling transgressions
More seriously:
#2 Laws themselves are not consistent from state to state, so trying to create some listing of punishments based on offense would be impractical.
#3 The NCAA has no business getting involved in legal matters anyway.
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All supposed examples of a system aside, what I am advocating for is a fair, and yes quick, process for all players and schools that removes the ambiguity of the current "whatever coach decides" is the law process that we currently have. A process that IMHO it is unfair to the student athlete at any school due to the nature of the fact that it is inconsistent and vague.
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buckeyebri;2167932; said:
So it would be fair to the students to have someone evaluate their actions from the other side of the country based on a pre-written rulebook who has no facts on the case rather than the coaching staff who can evaluate the entire situation?
Does the current solution lead to favoritism? Of course it does, even the most pious of coaches will treat a transgression of the starting QB differently than one of the backup long-snapper. And yes, some coaches sure in the hell will put W-L record ahead of teaching a young adult a life lesson. But guess what that's life.
Your suggestion is to treat the kid who jaywalks the same as the kid who has failed multiple team drug tests and just got busted for possession. Or punish kid A twice as much as kid B for the same transgression because the transgression is a class A misdemeanor in one state and a level 6 felony in another.
And if you think that a standard NCAA guidelines for convicted crimes is going to stop coaches from applying justice differently for key players or manipulating situations, then PM me for some business deals I think you'd be perfect to invest in.
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JBaney45
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Ryan36_1;2167952; said:So it would be fair to the students to have someone evaluate their actions from the other side of the country based on a pre-written rulebook who has no facts on the case rather than the coaching staff who can evaluate the entire situation?
Does the current solution lead to favoritism? Of course it does, even the most pious of coaches will treat a transgression of the starting QB differently than one of the backup long-snapper. And yes, some coaches sure in the hell will put W-L record ahead of teaching a young adult a life lesson. But guess what that's life.
Your suggestion is to treat the kid who jaywalks the same as the kid who has failed multiple team drug tests and just got busted for possession. Or punish kid A twice as much as kid B for the same transgression because the transgression is a class A misdemeanor in one state and a level 6 felony in another.
And if you think that a standard NCAA guidelines for convicted crimes is going to stop coaches from applying justice differently for key players or manipulating situations, then PM me for some business deals I think you'd be perfect to invest in.
And to be fair..there are other forms of punishment besides ones that are obvious to fans and the media. I think a little extra time with Marotti could be a more then effective solution to a good number of disciplinary issues.
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Bladder control exercises.. but this should be taught by a woman.. women are much better at it.. and ONLY a woman can stop in the middle of a pee... males are incapableJBaney45;2167970; said:
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