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3yardsandacloud
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Hummm ... no, I missed that DiHard. In fact I can't seem to find Snyder anywhere. I keep looking for him in the press box, but have yet to locate him. Got any ideas? :tongue2:
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MaxBuck
SoCal, Baby!
My personal favorite Bucknuts forum habit patterns:
1. If you fail to swear that Tressel is incompetent and that our talent is the worst at tOSU since the mid-1930s, you are someone who "accepts mediocrity" owing to tacit approval of a 6-and-4 record.
2. "Moderator" (personally I think he is pretty immoderate) riptide blasting the coaching staff and smugly declaring all sorts of things that he could do better as a coach, then berating (and threatening with banning) posters like myself who call out all the pessimistic, negative mouth-breathers who take his lead and call for Tressel's firing.
There - now that I got that out, I feel much better!
1. If you fail to swear that Tressel is incompetent and that our talent is the worst at tOSU since the mid-1930s, you are someone who "accepts mediocrity" owing to tacit approval of a 6-and-4 record.
2. "Moderator" (personally I think he is pretty immoderate) riptide blasting the coaching staff and smugly declaring all sorts of things that he could do better as a coach, then berating (and threatening with banning) posters like myself who call out all the pessimistic, negative mouth-breathers who take his lead and call for Tressel's firing.
There - now that I got that out, I feel much better!
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BrutusMaximus
I Heart Boobs
Naa I dont see where you get that from.........you're way off :P
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KillerNut
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I am completely confussed by what the all of you are talking about.
If your running down the line on an option you either cut it up field if they take the back or you pitch it if they take you. If you make your read and you see outside that there are two more people on the back just take the loss and don't pitch it. I don't see what is wrong with expecting him to eat the ball.
The coaches, if they are going to run the option, have got to drill these types of things into players heads, or don't run the option. I didn't think TSmith was an option QB in high school, I know I have heard that, and so when you are changing things to include it and he makes a poor decession it is usually because he wasn't coached properly.
Why do we have coaches if it isn't important to teach kids fundementals like this. Why do we have practice if we are not trying to teach kids these types of things. IF a coach didn't drill that into T. Smith's head all week, to the point he would not eve have to think about making that bad pitch, then the coaches did not have the team prepared properly to run that play, and it should have never been called.
If your running down the line on an option you either cut it up field if they take the back or you pitch it if they take you. If you make your read and you see outside that there are two more people on the back just take the loss and don't pitch it. I don't see what is wrong with expecting him to eat the ball.
The coaches, if they are going to run the option, have got to drill these types of things into players heads, or don't run the option. I didn't think TSmith was an option QB in high school, I know I have heard that, and so when you are changing things to include it and he makes a poor decession it is usually because he wasn't coached properly.
Why do we have coaches if it isn't important to teach kids fundementals like this. Why do we have practice if we are not trying to teach kids these types of things. IF a coach didn't drill that into T. Smith's head all week, to the point he would not eve have to think about making that bad pitch, then the coaches did not have the team prepared properly to run that play, and it should have never been called.
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Actually Killer, the speed option and the veer option are simple reads...TS did not run the proper track and tried to improvise. Your assessment would be true if JT was calling the triple option ala Fisher DeBerry...
Coaching had nothing to do with that mess....
Trust me, and I am not kidding here, kids do not always do what they are coached to do....
Coaching had nothing to do with that mess....
Trust me, and I am not kidding here, kids do not always do what they are coached to do....
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KillerNut
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Still wouldn't your think that a play would get blown up once or twice in practice? When that happens it would be a good time to teach the QB when that happens hold on to the ball take the loss and move on.
I know that kids don't always do what you tell them, but if you continue to pound it into their head it will find it's way in their. It always worked on me, and for me.
Finally if you can't trust your player to make the right choice, why would you call the play?
I know that kids don't always do what you tell them, but if you continue to pound it into their head it will find it's way in their. It always worked on me, and for me.
Finally if you can't trust your player to make the right choice, why would you call the play?
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I would bet my left kidney that all possible scenarios with the option were covered in practice...TS tried to make something happen and failed
So what play should be called? I know you have been one criticizing the playcalling but now you are criticizing it based on trust? I thought you were tired of the inside runs? How could we ever call a pass play if we can't trust Troy to make the right read? How could we ever expect TS to audible at the line? Trust cannot be avoided... My point is that players know what to do...they could recite a playbook for you, but when the heat is on, split second decisions are sometimes wrong. It is a fact of football.
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wait....are you 2 arguing over the option that was fumbled?
if so its pretty pointless to argue. it was third down and we needed to score. you think any QB on a division 1 school is going to eat that ball and then hope that the next play gets us a TD......if we dont go for the FG? (i forget how much time was left...probably enough to go for the FG and try to get the ball back).
i got no problems with the play call or the decision to pitch it.
if so its pretty pointless to argue. it was third down and we needed to score. you think any QB on a division 1 school is going to eat that ball and then hope that the next play gets us a TD......if we dont go for the FG? (i forget how much time was left...probably enough to go for the FG and try to get the ball back).
i got no problems with the play call or the decision to pitch it.
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KillerNut
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First of all I have not been critical of the play calling at all. In fact I think that at it's core if we had players that could execute the offense, it is the best type of offense in football. I think it starts up front with a line that has been less than stellar, and I view that as the core of why things have gone poorly. I also believe a lot of that seems to be coaching.
The offense that first features Running the ball, then builds by play action, and then goes deep once a quarter to keep safeties honest, is what I would love to see at Ohio State and that has been the plan every year. It hasn't worked out great because we can't block to start the foundation of the offense (running the ball), but the offense itself is what I hope to see at Ohio State for a very long time.
I also believe that the option is one of the most risky plays in football, especially when it is not part of the core of your offense the risk goes way up. To run it as a gimick play can be successful, but it can, and in this case did lead ot disaster. When you run the option as a gimick it is the same things as a Half back pass, statue of liberty, reverse pass ect.
To say what I would like to see is an offense that can execute. Nothing more, nothing less. I guess if I were calling the plays I would have probably called a run up the middle to Joe and hope we can just pound it in, or some sort of play action run pass option.
Hindsight is 20/20 and I am not saying that perfection is expected, but if that play had been merely stuffed, it would have been much easier for me to deal with the call. But when it results in a turnover then it is more difficult to overlook why are we running the option?
The offense that first features Running the ball, then builds by play action, and then goes deep once a quarter to keep safeties honest, is what I would love to see at Ohio State and that has been the plan every year. It hasn't worked out great because we can't block to start the foundation of the offense (running the ball), but the offense itself is what I hope to see at Ohio State for a very long time.
I also believe that the option is one of the most risky plays in football, especially when it is not part of the core of your offense the risk goes way up. To run it as a gimick play can be successful, but it can, and in this case did lead ot disaster. When you run the option as a gimick it is the same things as a Half back pass, statue of liberty, reverse pass ect.
To say what I would like to see is an offense that can execute. Nothing more, nothing less. I guess if I were calling the plays I would have probably called a run up the middle to Joe and hope we can just pound it in, or some sort of play action run pass option.
Hindsight is 20/20 and I am not saying that perfection is expected, but if that play had been merely stuffed, it would have been much easier for me to deal with the call. But when it results in a turnover then it is more difficult to overlook why are we running the option?
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