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espn tracker is reporting that a young fan has been struck by a motorcycle.....anyone watching OLN?
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Just to let you know:
I have been watching OLN since 10:15 and it hasn't been mentioned. They'll probably go over it after. . .
I have been watching OLN since 10:15 and it hasn't been mentioned. They'll probably go over it after. . .
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Wow, crazy finish.
Jan and Andreas Kloden and Lance Armstrong and Floyd Landis, along with Ivan Basso, were together for the final 2k or so.
Landis tried to make a push and then with a fraction of kilometer left Kloden blew away everybody: the announcers called the race and called Kloden the winner.
Then, with Kloden coasting and thinking he won, Armstrong FLEW up to him and beat him by a nose.
Anyway, Landis carried Armstrong all day. Lance was trying to give him the win, as he deserved it, but Landis was too beat from all his work.
Jan and Andreas Kloden and Lance Armstrong and Floyd Landis, along with Ivan Basso, were together for the final 2k or so.
Landis tried to make a push and then with a fraction of kilometer left Kloden blew away everybody: the announcers called the race and called Kloden the winner.
Then, with Kloden coasting and thinking he won, Armstrong FLEW up to him and beat him by a nose.
Anyway, Landis carried Armstrong all day. Lance was trying to give him the win, as he deserved it, but Landis was too beat from all his work.
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Buckem
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Ah yes, and this is the nation of people who are supposedly so much culturally superior to the <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:country-region><ST1:pUnited States</ST1:p</st1:country-region>. Nothing says elite intelligentsia like making fun of cancer and spitting at athletes. Well, Lance will keep winning them, and they can go home and cry, or surrender, or whatever the hell they do best.<O:p</O:p
<O:p</O:pFirst off the spitting came from Germans fans not French. Secondly, though I find many of things that Tour de France fans do as ridiculous as most people do this has been going on for years and and will continue to go on long after Lance is gone. Though there is no realistic way to control it, there have been very few incidents over the years that have had an effect on the outcome of the race. You line up ten Horse Shoe's worth of Ohio State fans (with game day buzzes on) along Lane and then you run the Michigan Football team through there and I'm SURE there would be no incidents whatsoever.<O:p</O:p
<O:p</O:pI would love for him to race the Giro d'Italia at least once before the end of his prestigious career, to dispell the constant accusations that he only targets the tour as his main objective each year.<O:p</O:p
Lance himself doesn't pretend that to ride for any other race except the Tour though some have said he may try to win both the Giro and the Tour next year. As an overall career Lance's will never compare to Merckx's because Merckx won many different types of races and Rode all three of the big Stage Races (Giro d’Italia, Tour de France, Vuelta a Espana) winning 5 Tours, 4 Giros, and 1 Vuelta as well as many of the one day classics and shorter stage races. To Lances defense no one rides in all the races anymore and many riders target only a select few races. That said the last two great Tour Riders both won a least two other races of the big 3. Hinault won 3 Giro’s and 2 Vuelta’s to go with his 5 <st1:City><ST1:pTours</ST1:p</st1:City> and in the 90’s Indurain won 2 Giro’s and had one non winning podium finish each in the Vuelta and Giro. Lance is really the first champion to ride exclusively for the Tour and it has worked for him because he will go down as the greatest Tour rider ever. The Tour always has and always will be the race that everyone wants to win.
On a final note with today's stage victory and a good chance for victory in the final TT, this is shaping to be Lance's best Tour yet.<O:p</O:p
<O:p</O:pFirst off the spitting came from Germans fans not French. Secondly, though I find many of things that Tour de France fans do as ridiculous as most people do this has been going on for years and and will continue to go on long after Lance is gone. Though there is no realistic way to control it, there have been very few incidents over the years that have had an effect on the outcome of the race. You line up ten Horse Shoe's worth of Ohio State fans (with game day buzzes on) along Lane and then you run the Michigan Football team through there and I'm SURE there would be no incidents whatsoever.<O:p</O:p
<O:p</O:pI would love for him to race the Giro d'Italia at least once before the end of his prestigious career, to dispell the constant accusations that he only targets the tour as his main objective each year.<O:p</O:p
Lance himself doesn't pretend that to ride for any other race except the Tour though some have said he may try to win both the Giro and the Tour next year. As an overall career Lance's will never compare to Merckx's because Merckx won many different types of races and Rode all three of the big Stage Races (Giro d’Italia, Tour de France, Vuelta a Espana) winning 5 Tours, 4 Giros, and 1 Vuelta as well as many of the one day classics and shorter stage races. To Lances defense no one rides in all the races anymore and many riders target only a select few races. That said the last two great Tour Riders both won a least two other races of the big 3. Hinault won 3 Giro’s and 2 Vuelta’s to go with his 5 <st1:City><ST1:pTours</ST1:p</st1:City> and in the 90’s Indurain won 2 Giro’s and had one non winning podium finish each in the Vuelta and Giro. Lance is really the first champion to ride exclusively for the Tour and it has worked for him because he will go down as the greatest Tour rider ever. The Tour always has and always will be the race that everyone wants to win.
On a final note with today's stage victory and a good chance for victory in the final TT, this is shaping to be Lance's best Tour yet.<O:p</O:p
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Buckem said:
I wonder if it were the German fans that painted "pig" and "doper" on the roads. If they were, then their collective Nazi asses should look at the drug abuse that was rampant in the early 70s in former East Germany, especially among their women Olympic swimmers who were as big as many non-German male swimmers.
As for the comparison of Tour fans lining the route to watch international cyclists with Buckeye fans lined up to watch Michigan football players, do you really imply that Tour fans loathe foreign cyclists to the degree that we loathe Michigan football? I don't think so...
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zincfinger
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That tidbit reminds me of Lloyd Carr describing the team bus ride into Columbus, with little old ladies flippin' 'em the bird. Classic.
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Buckem - I mentioned this earlier, but it may have gotten lost in the shuffle. It is my understanding that Merckx was punched in the stomach by a fan during his attempt at a sixth tour and it may have cost him the race. Do you know any of the details of that incident?
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Buckem
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Buckem - I mentioned this earlier, but it may have gotten lost in the shuffle. It is my understanding that Merckx was punched in the stomach by a fan during his attempt at a sixth tour and it may have cost him the race. Do you know any of the details of that incident?
Merckx did get punched in his bid to win a sixth and I'm sure it didn't help his cause but a crash several stages later in which he broke his jaw was much bigger factor in him losing.
Also I can't give you the specifics but I remember hearing how Merckx won one of his tours with the benefit of a rival ahead of him time wise crashing and having to withdraw.
One amazing statistic on Merckx is that he one 1/3 of all the races he entered which will never be repeated in my mind.
Merckx did get punched in his bid to win a sixth and I'm sure it didn't help his cause but a crash several stages later in which he broke his jaw was much bigger factor in him losing.
Also I can't give you the specifics but I remember hearing how Merckx won one of his tours with the benefit of a rival ahead of him time wise crashing and having to withdraw.
One amazing statistic on Merckx is that he one 1/3 of all the races he entered which will never be repeated in my mind.
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USCemper
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Mili:
European Tour fans, and cycling fans in general for that matter, are commonly fans of other sports, such as soccer and basketball, for instance. You loathe the UM football team and its fans immensily, but other than the yelling and sporadic fist-fights, do not assasinate one-another.
The same cannot be said in Europe, where opposing fan-bases from teams of the same country, stab and club each-other, regularly, on any given Sunday. Things get even more deadly when a team from a given country periodically travels abroad to play another team in the various international competitions.
It is a European phenomenon mostly, originating from thousands of years of war and dissent between cities in the same country, and more so when international campanilism comes into play.
I lived in Pisa, Italy for a while, and I would never have ventured to Leghorn (Livorno), located only twenty two miles to the South, to watch a soccer game between the two cities, unless I wanted to put my personal safety in danger.
European Tour fans, and cycling fans in general for that matter, are commonly fans of other sports, such as soccer and basketball, for instance. You loathe the UM football team and its fans immensily, but other than the yelling and sporadic fist-fights, do not assasinate one-another.
The same cannot be said in Europe, where opposing fan-bases from teams of the same country, stab and club each-other, regularly, on any given Sunday. Things get even more deadly when a team from a given country periodically travels abroad to play another team in the various international competitions.
It is a European phenomenon mostly, originating from thousands of years of war and dissent between cities in the same country, and more so when international campanilism comes into play.
I lived in Pisa, Italy for a while, and I would never have ventured to Leghorn (Livorno), located only twenty two miles to the South, to watch a soccer game between the two cities, unless I wanted to put my personal safety in danger.
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The Way I understood it... An "enraged" French Fan jumped onto the raod during a mountain stage... Punched Merckx in the abdomen... Merckx either gets off (or fell off) his bike... beats on the spectator for a little bit... jumps back on the bike and wins the stage.
I guess he got a bruised kidney or something for his troubles and it effected his performance for the remainder of the tour.
I guess he got a bruised kidney or something for his troubles and it effected his performance for the remainder of the tour.
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For all those that may say the type of violence in the occurs in Europe couldn't happen here, we have only to look at our violent figure skating past. Horrible.
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The finish of today's stage was awesome. During the call on OLN, and having already known the result myself, I couldn't help but think, "DEWEY DEFEATS TRUMAN". It's a shame Landis couldn't have taken the win himself today. He's been huge the last couple of days.
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What happened yesterday speaks to the greatness of Armstrong on two levels. First, he told Landis to go ahead and win the stage feeling he had earned it by pacing the lead riders even though clearly Lance could have won himself. Yet, when Kloden took off and it was clear Landis couldn't get it done Lance was able to beat him in the sprint. Just remarkable.
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