Transgendered decathlete (formerly known as Bruce) Caitlyn Jenner

[MililaniBuckeye]

See here's the thing, I have had far more talks with upset children about hateful old bigots like yourself than I ever had some poor confused kid with gender identity issues. You're the problem, not the disturbed young boy.

Yep, bring out the tired old "hateful bigot" tag when someone doesn't toe the far left dogma. So, what do you tell those "upset children"? That they have no reason to be upset when someone of the opposite gender used their restroom? That's it's perfectly normal for a boy to think he's a girl? That the feelings of someone who is in the 0.3% of the general population trumps theirs?

I personally could give shit what an adult does. If a dude wants to dress in drag or some chick wants to dress and act like a man, that's their business. But allowing a disturbed boy to use the girls restroom against the girls' wishes just because the LGBT community pitches a hissy fit is bullshit.

So, is your NAMBLA membership annual or did you spring for the lifetime membership?

 

[Buckeye86]

If someone is going to sexually assault someone else (or otherwise break the law) in the restroom, a stick figure sign on the door isn't going to stop them.

For everyone else minding their own business as they take care of business, I don't particularly give a damn which restroom they use.

 

[Jaxbuck]

I saw a fun tweet today.

so when they say "trans woman" is that current state or factory original?

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

If someone is going to sexually assault someone else (or otherwise break the law) in the restroom, a stick figure sign on the door isn't going to stop them.

For everyone else minding their own business as they take care of business, I don't particularly give a damn which restroom they use.

The issue isn't some TG dude assaulting some straight guy in the men's room. The issue is girls having to deal with a boy coming into their restroom just because he thinks (or claims) he's a girl.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

so when they say "trans woman" is that current state or factory original?

 

[Buckeye86]

so when they say "trans woman" is that current state or factory original?

I have no idea.

But to reiterate (not directed at you), if someone is breaking the law in the restroom in any way they should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law regardless of their sex or what restroom they happen to be in.

Otherwise, as long as everyone is minding their own business, the last time I checked using the restroom- particularly a women's restroom with only stalls- is a private affair.

Perhaps people who are so opposed to this have a different public bathroom experience they'd like to share?

 

[Buckeye86]

The issue isn't some TG dude assaulting some straight guy in the men's room. The issue is girls having to deal with a boy coming into their restroom just because he thinks (or claims) he's a girl.

If they're sneaking peaks or groping or talking inappropriately or anything else which infringes on other people they should be reported to authorities just like anyone else.

If they are not disturbing others, and other than hypotheticals I haven't seen any evidence they are, I don't see why it matters at all.

 

[Jaxbuck]

Yeah sorry I can't ever see/hear/read discussions about transgenders in bathrooms without thinking of Gary seeing his dream girl standing up to pee

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

If they're sneaking peaks or groping or talking inappropriately or anything else which infringes on other people they should be reported to authorities just like anyone else.

If they are not disturbing others, and other than hypotheticals I haven't seen any evidence they are, I don't see why it matters at all.

Girls don't want boys posing as girls using their restrooms. That's the issue. Boys using the restroom against the wishes of the girls infringes upon the rights of the girls, but apparently the rights of the disturbed boy trumps those of the girls. Case in point, Jerry Brown, the governor of California stated when he signed his transgender bathroom legislation that the rights of the majority don't override the rights of the single in his case.

 

[Muck]

Yep, bring out the tired old "hateful bigot" tag when someone doesn't toe the far left dogma.

See you have it backwards. You're the one toting out 'far left dogma' to cover your personal nastiness. You've tried it twice now and it's laughable.

Anyone claiming I'm a far left mouthpiece is pretty clearly just flinging shit to cover their own lack of substance.

You actually seem to think you have the moral high ground when all you are doing is screaming about how we should be shitty to some kids because they're different.

Yes it's a hell of a lot easier explaining to my daughter that Timmy's brain and his body don't match quite right than it is to explain why that nasty old man is saying hateful things about one of her classmates.

So, is your NAMBLA membership annual or did you spring for the lifetime membership?

lol Keep trying to deflect.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

See you have it backwards. You're the one toting out 'far left dogma' to cover your personal nastiness. You've tried it twice now and it's laughable.

Personal nastiness? GTFOH. A boy has no business in a girls bathroom, period. None. You going to allow your son to go take a leak in the bathroom while his sister is in there?

Anyone claiming I'm a far left mouthpiece is pretty clearly just flinging [Mark May] to cover their own lack of substance.

Resorting to simple name calling with terms "hateful" and "nastiness" in a knee-jerk reaction to someone disagreeing with extreme liberal views is exactly what a "far left mouthpiece" would do. You may not actually be far left, or even moderately liberal, but you sure the fuck come off like one.

You actually seem to think you have the moral high ground when all you are doing is screaming about how we should be [Mark May]ty to some kids because they're different.

Keeping a boy out of the girls restroom because he thinks he's a girl is not "being shitty" to him. Allowing him in there is being shitty to the girls. Thinking that boys should be allowed in the girls bathroom at all is shitty in itself.

Yes it's a hell of a lot easier explaining to my daughter that Timmy's brain and his body don't match quite right than it is to explain why that nasty old man is saying hateful things about one of her classmates.

It's not that "Timmy's brain and his body don't match quite right" but rather little Timmy has a bona fide mental illness. Timmy needs therapy and the explanation that he should be going to the boys restroom rather than the girls restroom. And no nasty old man is saying anything hateful, but rather pointing out the common sense fact that boys have no business in the girls restroom.

Now that we've established the fact that you have a daughter, would you chastise her if she told you that she felt uncomfortable--or even scared--with a boy being in the girls restroom with her?

 

[Buckeye86]

Personal nastiness? GTFOH. A boy has no business in a girls bathroom, period. None. You going to allow your son to go take a leak in the bathroom while his sister is in there?


Resorting to simple name calling with terms "hateful" and "nastiness" in a knee-jerk reaction to someone disagreeing with extreme liberal views is exactly what a "far left mouthpiece" would do. You may not actually be far left, or even moderately liberal, but you sure the fuck come off like one.


Keeping a boy out of the girls restroom because he thinks he's a girl is not "being [Mark May]ty" to him. Allowing him in there is being [Mark May]ty to the girls. Thinking that boys should be allowed in the girls bathroom at all is [Mark May]ty in itself.


It's not that "Timmy's brain and his body don't match quite right" but rather little Timmy has a bona fide mental illness. Timmy needs therapy and the explanation that he should be going to the boys restroom rather than the girls restroom. And no nasty old man is saying anything hateful, but rather pointing out the common sense fact that boys have no business in the girls restroom.

Now that we've established the fact that you have a daughter, would you chastise her if she told you that she felt uncomfortable--or even scared--with a boy being in the girls restroom with her?

TL;DR but you are aware certain humans are born with both male and female genitalia. Should they be barred from using any public restroom?

Gender lines aren't always black and white, which goes back to the point, as long as they're not causing problems, people should be allowed to use the restroom they're comfortable in.

For anyone who has a problem with it, I submit they won't even notice. If you do notice, either leave or report the situation if you feel it's inappropriate.

 

[jwinslow]

TL;DR but you are aware certain humans are born with both male and female genitalia. Should they be barred from using any public restroom?

Gender lines aren't always black and white, which goes back to the point, as long as they're not causing problems, people should be allowed to use the restroom they're comfortable in.

For anyone who has a problem with it, I submit they won't even notice. If you do notice, either leave or report the situation if you feel it's inappropriate.

Sorry it's crap to tell every single other person how they have to feel and who to expose themselves to based on how one person feels about themselves in those situations . That's the complete opposite and backwards approach of tolerance. That's forced acceptable.

This is about a world that defines itself based on feelings as their ultimate barometer of morality, truth and even biology.

 

[Buckeye86]

Sorry it's crap to tell every single other person how they have to feel and who to expose themselves to based on how one person feels about themselves in those situations . That's the complete opposite and backwards approach of tolerance. That's forced acceptable.

This is about a world that defines itself based on feelings as their ultimate barometer of morality, truth and even biology.

I don't think it's telling people how to feel.

1. You won't notice.
2. If you do notice and feel uncomfortable leave the situation or report the situation if you feel it's inappropriate.
3. You don't expose yourself to people in public restrooms. If anyone thinks you do and that's why they have a problem with this you're doing it wrong.

I don't see how that is telling anyone how to feel.

 

[Muck]

Personal nastiness? GTFOH. A boy has no business in a girls bathroom, period. None. You going to allow your son to go take a leak in the bathroom while his sister is in there?

Resorting to simple name calling with terms "hateful" and "nastiness" in a knee-jerk reaction to someone disagreeing with extreme liberal views is exactly what a "far left mouthpiece" would do. You may not actually be far left, or even moderately liberal, but you sure the fuck come off like one.

Keeping a boy out of the girls restroom because he thinks he's a girl is not "being [Mark May]ty" to him. Allowing him in there is being [Mark May]ty to the girls. Thinking that boys should be allowed in the girls bathroom at all is [Mark May]ty in itself.

It's not that "Timmy's brain and his body don't match quite right" but rather little Timmy has a bona fide mental illness. Timmy needs therapy and the explanation that he should be going to the boys restroom rather than the girls restroom. And no nasty old man is saying anything hateful, but rather pointing out the common sense fact that boys have no business in the girls restroom.

Now that we've established the fact that you have a daughter, would you chastise her if she told you that she felt uncomfortable--or even scared--with a boy being in the girls restroom with her?

Saying 'a boy has no business in a girls bathroom' over and over again is not going to make the situation fit your world view. That's not at all what we're talking about.

The research is showing more and more that gender dysphoria is a biological condition. Attempts to 'cure' it (ie force the individual to accept their birth sex) using psychotherapy don't work. When it comes to prepubescent children it's even more complicated as it appears to be harder to diagnose (not all children who display symptoms appear to actually exhibit the condition after they reach puberty).

Do I think legislated bathroom reassignment for those who suffer gender dysphoria is the correct answer? Not really, but I sure as hell don't see a reason to make their lives more hellish by calling them disturbed and treating them like outcasts.

It's a complicated situation that does not conform to your simple 'common sense'. The only one displaying a knee jerk reaction here is you.

My kids are twins. Yes they've seen each other naked. Whoopy fucking do.

This is about a world that defines itself based on feelings as their ultimate barometer of morality, truth and even biology.

Quite simply that is not true. Some who try to use it to score political points likely fit that description, but the medical research is solid and has nothing to do with feelings.