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Utah 25 Michigan 23 (Final)

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Steve19;1244132; said:
Rich Rod has a long way to go before he can be compared to John Cooper. There is no indication yet that he is really that good, in my opinion. True, Cooper couldn't beat TSUN but he put together a winning percentage against a quality slate of opponents that most coaches would give body parts, if it would let them achieve the same success.

I am not sure that TSUN fans should give up hope yet. With experience the team will play his offensive system better and the TSUN team that suits up against the Buckeyes will be a much better team than we saw today.

Everything is under control...
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Here is where I will continue to draw the parallel between RR and John F. Yes, once Coop got things rolling in recruiting he didn't lose to the Utah's of the world, in fact he would put 72-0 beat downs on those kinds of teams and have coaches refusing to ever bring their team to Columbus again.

HOWEVER, where I think they mirror each other is in the fact both took over programs that were severely depleted of talent(by their programs standards). It took John F a while, he had a losing season his first year ('88) and didn't have a B10 champ untill 1993. In between were a bunch of 4 loss seasons I would just as soon forget. Based on what we saw in game 1 and what the recruiting/depth chart situations look like I think RR would do well to match how quickly Coop got his team back to 8-9 wins and Bowl appearance levels.

The interesting dynamic to me is if the UM administration will be as tied to RR as ours at the time was to Cooper. We had to keep him, even after it was obvious what a mistake he was, because of the shitty way Earl was fired if we ever wanted a decent coach to take the job again. BTW, when I say he was an obvious mistake, it wasn't just due to all the losses. Coop was an outsider who never embraced the traditions at OSU, never got The Game, alienated the Ohio high school coaches, started doing commercials, didn't know the name of the stadium etc.

Fast forward to 2008 and Martin has to justify his fiasco of a coaching search, the buyout, going outside the family and all the fur he rubbed the wrong way shoving his outsider down the throats of all those Mi**igan men.

Then finally here is the real kick in the nuts, when they finally pulled the plug on Coop he left a stocked roster because he ran a traditional pro style offense. RR runs a gimmick offense that will eventually have the roster full of players that can only play well in that offense. The next guy will be facing a multi year rebuild job instead of being able to find a good coach that can do what JT did in year 2.

I said it then and I stand by it now, Bill Martin fucked scUM's program for a good solid decade when he hired RR.
 
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HailToMichigan;1244206; said:
I'm still saying 8 wins would be successful, and I still expect a bowl game. No way the defense is as pathetic all year as they were in the first half. ... The defense alone is good enough for four wins - Miami, Toledo, Minny, and Northwestern. And I have a hard time believing they'd all the other seven games.
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Clearly the Wolverine defense won't be as pathetic the rest of the year; they were very good the second half, though they got an assist from the pathetic Utah "O." I really thought Utah should have ditched their helmets in favor of Santa hats in the second half.

But the Michigan offense! Dreadful! Granted you should be able to beat the Brewsters, but I don't know that I'd put Miami, Toledo, or Northwestern in the W column just yet.
 
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What I have heard M fans say over and over during the Carr years was that they were tired of watching a team play down to it's level of competition. That hasn't changed . . .

Only it was Utah playing down to Scum's level yesterday. :tongue2:

:osu:
 
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My thing with Rodriguez is can he really not tailor an offense to suit his personnel?

I know he wants to run that spread option, but there has to be more offensive talent at UM than was shown on the field yesterday. Why force the spread with a QB that just isn't capable of running it effectively? Neither Threet or Sheridan can run that offense so why are they in there? Just put a third team CB, WR, or RB in there and teach them to be an option QB because that's who's going to be running it in the future.

Doesn't make sense to me.
 
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ysubuck;1244260; said:
My thing with Rodriguez is can he really not tailor an offense to suit his personnel?

I know he wants to run that spread option, but there has to be more offensive talent at UM than was shown on the field yesterday. Why force the spread with a QB that just isn't capable of running it effectively? Neither Threet or Sheridan can run that offense so why are they in there? Just put a third team CB, WR, or RB in there and teach them to be an option QB because that's who's going to be running it in the future.

Doesn't make sense to me.
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Simple answer is no.

He cannot tailor an offense to fit his personnel because he's a one trick pony. That is the big negative with a "scheme" coach in football, once opponents adjust to the scheme the scheme coach is all out of tricks.

Ask Joe Tiller.
 
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It's been said that a great coach can take his guys and beat your guys, AND take your guys and beat his guys. Rich Rodriguez is not a great coach.
 
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What defense??? Michigan has a defense??? They have a six game stretch where their D-line is gonna be ground into the dirt because they have no depth. They have serious depth problems on defense. Outside of Warren and Ezeh they have nobody In their back-7...I mean nobody that would sniff our 2-DEEP besides those two. Their secondary is lost...absolutely confused. Their D-line steeped it up in the 2nd half and masked their horrible secondary play. Teams with better/more WR's will torch that secondary.
 
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Jaxbuck;1244278; said:
Simple answer is no.

He cannot tailor an offense to fit his personnel because he's a one trick pony. That is the big negative with a "scheme" coach in football, once opponents adjust to the scheme the scheme coach is all out of tricks.

Ask Joe Tiller.
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Ditto!
 
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Jaxbuck;1244278; said:
Simple answer is no.

He cannot tailor an offense to fit his personnel because he's a one trick pony. That is the big negative with a "scheme" coach in football, once opponents adjust to the scheme the scheme coach is all out of tricks.

Ask Joe Tiller.
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I don't think it's entirely impossible for RR to adapt his set to his personnel. But, like most other big time coaches, he can only do that TO AN EXTENT... i.e. he can change things up and adapt over a given range of sets, schemes, and plays.

It just seems that with RR, that range is extremely limited, regardless of the circumstance in which I've seen him work. Maybe his personality is what imposes that constraint, maybe it's his coaching pedigree, or maybe it's his own expectations, or even a combination thereof. But, in either case, he' clearly not in the same league at the Pete Carrolls, Urban Meyers, and Jim Tressels of the world. And, ultimately, that is what's going to hold him back from achieving a level of success at TSUN that the fans and alums are going to expect of him inside the next 3-4 season.

Call it player development, or call it schematic/tactical flexibility, . Whatever "it" is, he doesn't seem to "get it." He was clearly at a loss for words and perspective after the game. He seemed surprised, dumbfounded, and already frustrated by his players' performance. Maybe it's because he realizes that after that exhibition, his honeymoon's going to be over much sooner than he or anyone else expected.
 
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We all know its going to take RR several years to get the personel for his style of play so JT better take advantage of it now because then it will get lots tougher to beat tsun. They are a power football team and won't be down for long , and that you all can take to the bank.
They will be back.
 
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shetuck;1245356; said:
I don't think it's entirely impossible for RR to adapt his set to his personnel. But, like most other big time coaches, he can only do that TO AN EXTENT... i.e. he can change things up and adapt over a given range of sets, schemes, and plays.

It just seems that with RR, that range is extremely limited, regardless of the circumstance in which I've seen him work. Maybe his personality is what imposes that constraint, maybe it's his coaching pedigree, or maybe it's his own expectations, or even a combination thereof. But, in either case, he' clearly not in the same league at the Pete Carrolls, Urban Meyers, and Jim Tressels of the world. And, ultimately, that is what's going to hold him back from achieving a level of success at TSUN that the fans and alums are going to expect of him inside the next 3-4 season.

Call it player development, or call it schematic/tactical flexibility, he doesn't seem to "get it." After Saturday's exhibition, the honeymoon's going to be over for him much sooner than anyone expected.
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JT has won with QB's as diverse as Krenzel, Smith, Boeckman and soon Pryor. His teams offensive identity has been "multiple" from day one. The only thing he is married to concept wise is balance.

I don't think anyone would be able to take the players RR has at scUM this year and compete for a championship (unless they were in the ACC :wink2:). I do however think JT would be able to field a more competitive team than RR will simply due to his flexibility. Players could have spent spring and fall camps getting better at what they already know how to do instead of learning a new offense.

Any coach worth his salt could take one look at the roster he inherited up there and see its built for a more traditional attack. Mallet and Boren likely stay and now your chances to win with a defense first, good kicking game and just don't hurt us pro set I offense, are a lot better. Tress would have had a very similar team to his 2001 OSU team if he took over scUM in 2008.
 
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