Vince Young (unemployed)

[High Lonesome]

NFB, he might earn respect from the casual fans.

But for those of us who seriously follow college football, he's already earned it.

while i agree with this

Troy Smith looks like he'll be next year's Vince Young but better.

i have a little bit tougher of a time with this. if he throws for over 3k and runs for another 1k and wins the NC we can have that talk and i will actually entertain the idea. Till that point, i'll leave it at Troy's delivery is more fundamental and he is going to be a very good qb for some time to come.

 

[Torch7]

I definately already respect Troy, and think he is a good player... He won tons of brownie points when he said, "I'm a Vince Young Fan" after the bowl game.

Can't wait to the game rolls around next year.

 

[FKAGobucks877]

To try to say that Troy is better than Vince, in any capacity, is absurd. No offense. If you want, you can say that you feel Troy will be better than Vince (as a passer, or whatever), but Vince has earned his stripes, and he has more than Troy. I would love to be able to compare the two this time next year...but it's way too early to go that far right now.

 

[Dryden]

Joe Schad mentioned the following in his Blog today regarding his experience at the AFCA meetings in Dallas this week ...

[...] A great opportunity to chat with coaches like Texas' Mack Brown, who conceded that he agreed with Vince Young's decision to enter the NFL Draft.

Here's how Brown said the conversation went.

Young: "At this moment, I think it's best for me to go. What do you think?"

Brown: "If you were my son, I'd probably think the same thing."

What was Brown's explanation for not offering a plea to Young?

"What a selfish thing if you're a football coach," Brown said. "Fifty million dollars? I couldn't honestly tell him to come back."

Then Brown said something he's sure to repeat until the start of next season: "It's not like we're going to drop football at Texas. We'll have a good team."

 

[BuckeyeKid789]

i have a little bit tougher of a time with this. if he throws for over 3k and runs for another 1k and wins the NC we can have that talk and i will actually entertain the idea. Till that point, i'll leave it at Troy's delivery is more fundamental and he is going to be a very good qb for some time to come.

True. I think Smith has the potential to be better as a senior than Vince was but he still needs to prove it. Troy Smith has really impressed me with his vision. I think Troy has a good chance to throw for 3,000 yards and 20 td's. Not trying to make Smith better than Young already.

 

[BuckeyeKid789]

To try to say that Troy is better than Vince, in any capacity, is absurd. No offense. If you want, you can say that you feel Troy will be better than Vince (as a passer, or whatever), but Vince has earned his stripes, and he has more than Troy. I would love to be able to compare the two this time next year...but it's way too early to go that far right now.

I wasn't trying to put Smith ahead of Vince already. I think he has the potential to be a much better passer than Vince but he needs to prove himself next year before we can actually legitimetly compare the two.

 

[buckeyeboy]

if he throws for over 3k and runs for another 1k and wins the NC we can have that talk and i will actually entertain the idea. Till that point, i'll leave it at Troy's delivery is more fundamental and he is going to be a very good qb for some time to come.

I doubt Troy will do the 3,000 passing/1,000 rushing combo in the same season. It's not that I don't think he can't run for 1,000; rather, it's that our offense isn't designed for him to be the primary runner, as was this year's UT offense. This year, VY led UT with 155 carries, followed by Charles with 119, and Taylor with 76. Smith, however, was clearly the second running option in our offense, as he only had 136 carries compared to Pittman's 243. And I expect that his portion of the running offense will decrease with Chris Wells coming. I do fell that Smith's passing numbers will exceed 3,000 yards, however. And as for the NC...

 

[High Lonesome]

I doubt Troy will do the 3,000 passing/1,000 rushing combo in the same season. It's not that I don't think he can't run for 1,000; rather, it's that our offense isn't designed for him to be the primary runner, as was this year's UT offense. This year, VY led UT with 155 carries, followed by Charles with 119, and Taylor with 76. Smith, however, was clearly the second running option in our offense, as he only had 136 carries compared to Pittman's 243. And I expect that his portion of the running offense will decrease with Chris Wells coming. I do fell that Smith's passing numbers will exceed 3,000 yards, however. And as for the NC...

Young was actually not our primary running option. The primary option was our running back position. However, since we have 4 runningbacks that rotated in, Vince ended up with the most carries. If we had a true feature back and he got the carries that our RB spot did, the numbers would far surpass VY's.

Troy Smith has really impressed me with his vision. I think Troy has a good chance to throw for 3,000 yards and 20 td's

I think that Troy has impressed the entire country; however, those numbers would still not be as good as Vince's. He threw for 26 TD's this year with only 10 int's. Statistically Vince had the best season that any dual threat QB has ever had. Now I think that Troy Smith is going to be a great one, and as i said before, if he does better than vince i will certainly tip my hat to an amazing season.

 

[jwinslow]

troy's 16:4 td:int ratio is why we have high hopes for next year. He will not be splitting reps, and I do not believe there will be any defenses like Tejas/PSU, let alone two.

 

[High Lonesome]

troy's 16:4 td:int ratio is why we have high hopes for next year. He will not be splitting reps, and I do not believe there will be any defenses like Tejas/PSU, let alone two.

please don't take what i said as me not respecting troy. I think that he is primed for an amazing year. i am just not willing to call him VY yet. truth be told i will have a hard time ever doing that. I played against Vince in highschool, Cheered for him in college and now he has a chance to be the qb for my hometown team. Please understand that as far as man love for an athlete goes, i don't know if anyone will ever get more from me than vince.

 

[Dryden]

I think that Troy has impressed the entire country; however, those numbers would still not be as good as Vince's. He threw for 26 TD's this year with only 10 int's. Statistically Vince had the best season that any dual threat QB has ever had. Now I think that Troy Smith is going to be a great one, and as i said before, if he does better than vince i will certainly tip my hat to an amazing season.

The problem for Troy reaching these gaudy numbers will be (1) the Tressel offense and (2) the Big-10 conference schedule. No matter how explosive and productive the offense is in 2006, Ohio State, under JT, isn't likely to start hanging 60 on UL-U Pick'em and Rice anytime soon. 3 of VY's last 5 games were against Baylor, Kansas, and Colorado -- Texas won those three games by the combined score of 198 - 17.

The Bucks turned it up this year in the Big-10, and against the four worst defenses on the schedule in consecutive weeks (Indiana, Minnesota, Illinois, and Northwestern), still only managed 174 points.

We will see a 13 game schedule in 2006 (12 + bowl), so Troy does get an equal load of games as compared to VY this season (11 + CCG + bowl). 3000/1000/26TDs over a 13 games schedule breaks down to 230 passing, 78 rushing, 2TDs per game. I don't think the Big-10 defenses are bad enough to make even Troy look this good.

I have never seen anyone like VY, especially considering his speed and elusiveness for his size. It took a combination of things for VY to put up the numbers he did in 2005, his natural ability notwithstanding, and I'm not certain we'll ever see a single season like that again for awhile. I don't know why people are rushing to put Troy in the same category. If Troy only posted 2/3rds of the numbers VY did it'd still be a wildly successful season, senior campaign, and probably worthy of Heisman consideration.

 

[buckeyeboy]

Young was actually not our primary running option. The primary option was our running back position. However, since we have 4 runningbacks that rotated in, Vince ended up with the most carries.

Really? From the games I saw, there was in UT's offense very little of the traditional running play where the QB takes the snap and turns to hand the ball off to the running back. Rather, it seemed that the majority of UT's designed running plays were those that consisted of VY tucking the ball into the RB's stomach and then either letting him have the ball or pulling the ball back to run it himself, depending on how he read the defense (which was very effective). Therefore, I thought it seemed like VY was the primary running option (or at least half of it, taking into account the aforementioned tuck and read).

My point was simply that our offense doesn't contain as many of these plays in which TS could possibly run the ball, as more often our running plays are traditional runs (as defined above) to Pittman. Accordingly, to the extent that a great runner like VY rushed for 1,050 yards in an offense much more amenable to a QB running up greater rushing statistics, I don't think TS has much of a chance of rushing for over 1,000 yards next season.

 

[Buckeye Maniac]

Vince Young thinking about staying?

I'm gonna try again...here's the link again

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/sioncampus/01/13/college/

 

[High Lonesome]

interesting link....not gonna happen. he and his agent were on the radio just yesterday in houston

 

[Dryden]

The speculation in that SI link (that Mack will talk VY into staying) directly contradicts what Mack said himself about encouraging VY to go and get his $50M right now while he can.

Not going to happen. VY is gone.