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What Punishment Should Miami & FIU Receive For The Fight?

What Punishment Should be Meted Out to Miami and FIU for the 10/14 Fight?


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sandgk

Watson, Crick & A Twist
This is a poll on what you feel should be meted out to these two football teams.
The following is a description of the NCAA "death Penalty" last used (I think) on SMU.
Q. What is the "death penalty?"
The repeat-violator legislation (so called "death penalty") is applicable to an institution if, within a five-year period, the following conditions exist: (a) following the announcement of the major case, a major violation occurs, and (b) the second violation occurred within five years of the starting date of the penalty assessed in the first case. The second major case does not have to be in the same sport as the previous case to affect the second sport.
The minimum penalties for repeat violators of legislation, subject to exemptions authorized by the committee on the basis of specifically stated reasons, may include any or all of the following:
  1. the prohibition of some or all outside competition in the sport involved in the latest major violation for one or two sports seasons and the prohibition of all coaching staff members in that sport from involvement directly or indirectly in any coaching activities at the institution during that period;
  2. the elimination of all initial grants-in-aid and recruiting activities in the sport involved in the latest major violation in question for a two-year period;
  3. the requirement that all institutional staff members serving on the NCAA Board of Directors Management Council, Executive Committee or other committees of the Association resign their positions, it being understood that all institutional representatives shall be ineligible to serve on any NCAA committee for a period of four years; and
  4. the requirement that the institution relinquish its voting privilege in the Association for a four-year period.

You may select more than one option in the above poll.
 
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BuckWrestler141;634615; said:
Let the schools handle it internally; and then have the conferences determine if the schools handled it strictly enough.

I favor that, though I expect that the Conferences will deem it appropriate for a statement to be made - punishment beyond that meted out in the form of the instant suspensions if you will.

FWIW, the standard suspension for leaving the sideline to engage in a fight is 1 game. As many players were ejected early in the second half, their suspensions might be considered to be over by half-time of the following game on their schedule. Which would seem a little light in my view.

Then you have the players who were not ejected but now are in the ranks of the suspended - their 1 game suspension would last till the end of the following game.

What I think the schools or Conferences should consider doing, proactively I hope, is that the players engaging in cleating, stomping and helmet swinging (all of which I consider worse than mere fighting) be kicked off their respective teams, period.

Finally, I suspect (and frankly hope) that the Conferences mete out some form of no bowl game punishment. This would, it is true, more likely hurt Miami than FIU. Though, it would be unlikely to hurt Miami this year unless they start winning tougher games against Conference opponents.
 
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CBS

Sunday 7: Latest brawl shows Miami can't shake past
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Oct. 15, 2006
By Dennis Dodd
CBS SportsLine.com Senior Writer
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]
[/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica] Seven things we learned on Sunday. ... [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica] They're punks: All of them. All the Miami and Florida International players involved in that disgusting brawl. [/FONT]
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Larry Coker will take the heat for a Miami program seemingly out of control. (AP) [FONT=Arial, Helvetica] Fans don't ask for much from their sport. Fun homecoming floats. Cute cheerleaders. A bowl now and then. Is it too much to ask that players don't embarrass themselves, their programs and their city? [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica] That's what happened Saturday night. Miami, the U and FIU died a little. It doesn't matter who started it. This is not a slap fight between big brother and little sister. The question should be: Who ended it? [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica] Turns out it had to be the cops. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica] Whatever comes out of this, Larry Coker is done, kaput, finished at Miami. AD Paul Dee might be close behind. This is the third such embarrassing incident for Miami since the Peach Bowl. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica] It looks like a program that is literally out of control. It looks like the same old Miami, a reputation that the school cannot shake. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica] One of the few positives: Both conference commissioners (ACC's John Swofford and Sun Belt's Wright Waters) jumped on this quickly. Let's hope they do the right thing. There was at least one player swinging a helmet. An injured FIU player was waving crutches around. Their kind should be suspended for the remainder of the season. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica] That is, assuming all of the involved players stay out of jail. [/FONT]
 
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First, I think some of the actions in this fight warrant the loss of scholarships (Merriweather, Reddick, and the fool who was using his crutches as a weapon).

Second, the ACC and Sunbelt should be involved in the suspension process or at least oversee it. Something needs to be done to assure the right kids are being punished and that the actions are fair to all. I could see either school suspending kids with minimal involvment to avoid suspended kids they need to win games.

Coaches need to be reprimanded. All of them. On both teams. Position coaches, head coaches and coordinators. Coker may be a lame duck anyway. But he needs to be held acountable for the actions of his team.

This event was a black eye to the sport. It cannot be allowed to be duplicated.
 
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I think they should be forced to play the rest of the season with the Hurricanes.. and all the embarrassment that comes with that...

Why should they get a free pass and be able to say... "yeah, they sucked, but I wasn't on the team"
 
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akronbuck;634691; said:
just on espn,
13 miami 18 IfI

suspeneded for just one game

The two conferences stepped in
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A total of 31 players suspended, 13 by ACC (Miami), 18 by Sun Belt (FIU).

Conferences suspend 31 players in brawl

CORAL GABLES, Fla. -- The fight is over. The fallout is only beginning.
Thirty one players were suspended on Sunday for their role in a sideline-clearing brawl during a game between Miami and Florida International on Saturday.
The Atlantic Coast Conference suspended 13 players, hours after Miami announced that eight players had been sanctioned. Later, the Sun Belt Conference, in conjunction with FIU, said 18 players had been suspended. Further penalties were not ruled out.

Five of the Miami players were ejected, meaning they drew automatic sanctions from the ACC and the university. Miami coach Larry Coker punished three others after reviewing tape of the incident, which marred the Hurricanes' 35-0 win Saturday night over their neighboring rival.
"Disgraceful," Coker said.
Coker suspended safeties Anthony Reddick and Brandon Meriweather, along with H-back James Bryant. It was unknown how long any of the suspensions will last.
Reddick swung a helmet during the melee, Meriweather stomped on some FIU players during the fight and Bryant drew his suspension for excessively celebrating his touchdown just before the fracas began.
"What's going to be portrayed around the country is probably not going to be positive," Coker said. "But I will tell you this, and if you've been around our players, you know this. We have great kids in this program. They're not good kids. They are great kids."
ACC officials met Sunday to review the brawl.
The suspensions come at a terrible time for Miami, which has six ACC games remaining -- and probably needs five wins to even have a chance at playing for the conference title.
"I don't have many bad days," Coker said Sunday. "This is a bad day. And last night was a bad night."

Miami was involved in a postgame altercation at last year's Peach Bowl against LSU and a pregame incident at Louisville this season.
"We've got a strong grip on this program," Coker said, "although this is obviously a setback."
Coker was asked why he felt the incident took place. He began his remarks by saying FIU is a crosstown rival and that "you've got players on their team who wanted to be here."
Coker said it all began when an FIU player shoved and taunted a Miami player in pregame warmups.
"When it got away," Coker said, "was when they slam-dunked our holder -- grabbed him, lifted him up and threw him to the ground."
Coker added that he did not have a full grasp of the incident from the field Saturday and had a different perspective after watching television replays.

Miami (4-2) had five players ejected: offensive linemen Derrick Morse and Chris Barney, running back Charlie Jones, and cornerbacks Carlos Armour and Bruce Johnson.
FIU (0-7) lost eight players to ejection: wide receiver Chandler Williams, defensive backs Lionell Singleton, Chris Smith and Marshall McDuffie Jr., fullback John Ellis, linebacker Mannie Wellington, tight end Samuel Smith and defensive end Jarvis Penerton.
Officials from both universities apologized publicly Saturday night.
"I can promise you," FIU coach Don Strock said, "that this will never happen again."
It's the third on-field incident involving the Hurricanes in their last seven games. And there's been plenty of off-the-field ones, too.
? Several Miami players fought with LSU players following the Tigers' 40-3 win in the Peach Bowl, a brawl that quickly escalated into an out-of-control melee in the tunnel leading from the field.
? Shortly before the Miami-Louisville game Sept. 16, virtually the entire Hurricanes' roster jumped on the Cardinals logo at midfield -- an act widely viewed as a taunting gesture. Afterward, several Miami players chided teammates for their involvement in that incident.
? A Miami player was shot outside his home shortly before training camp began in what players contend was a robbery attempt. Meriweather returned fire at the alleged assailants. Police said he acted legally.
? Wide receiver Ryan Moore, who was sent home from the Peach Bowl for violating team rules, was suspended for the first two games of 2006 for other violations. He is expected to be charged this week with misdemeanors stemming from an August fight with a woman. He hasn't played this season.
Despite all that, Coker bristled at the suggestion that he doesn't have control of his team.
"I do have a grip on this program," Coker said. "Don't ever doubt that. Don't ever doubt that."
There were many instances of heated words being exchanged from the game's opening minutes, especially after Williams dived helmet-first at prone Miami defender Kenny Phillips following a first-quarter interception.
From there, unsportsmanlike turned into unruly.
Bryant pointed at the FIU bench and bowed to the crowd after catching a touchdown pass with 9 minutes left in the third quarter. Moments later, FIU's Chris Smith wrestled Miami holder Matt Perrelli to the ground and punched him.
McDuffie kicked Perrelli in the helmet. Morse jumped onto the Smith-Perrelli pile, Singleton followed and tried to punch the Hurricanes' Calais Campbell -- and benches began to empty.
"You've got to back up each other," said Miami quarterback Kyle Wright. "You're not just going to sit out there and let guys get beat up."
Several players appeared to throw punches, including Miami's Bryant, DajLeon Farr and Ryan Hill, and Meriweather was seen attempting to stomp on FIU players. At least two FIU players were seen throwing punches on the far side of the field, and another swung a crutch menacingly.
Meanwhile, Reddick charged across the field, helmet raised high over his head, and slammed it into FIU cornerback Robert Mitchell.
The fight marred what was supposed to be the beginning of a rivalry between two schools with players who grew up playing each other on high school fields in South Florida.
Now, there's some doubt if the series will -- or should -- resume.
 
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