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Wiscy +9.5 at tOSU (ov/un 120.5) Sun 4 ET, CBS

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Just got back from the game. Frustrating to say the least, but we have to deal with it I guess. Felt like we were going to pull away when we went up 8, but that 3 fell and we never recovered.

I did have a couple of thoughts as I watched. Not saying this is what is the problem, just my opinion and some discussion.

First, I think Wisky totally controlled the pace of the game. When they have the basketball, there is really nothing you can do but play solid while they hold it for 33 seconds and then fire up a shot at the end of the shot clock. But on offense, I felt we should have pushed the pace. I thought we were at our fastest when Craft and Scott were on the floor together. Granted Scott struggles with his shot, but he can really push the ball.


That leads me to my next point. Craft and Scott together on defense are fantastic. Scott got hit with some foul trouble today, but the amount of pressure they are able to put on the PG and other primary ball handler is unbelievable. I think this is something that could help come tourney time against guard heavy teams.

I also didn't think we rebounded the basketball well at all today. Some of their misses were long rebounds and to an extent you can't really do anything about those, but there were plenty of times we just got out muscled for rebounding position.

We CLEARLY need a shooter. Whether it's trying out Ross or brining Sibert back into the rotation, or the team manager, we need someone that Sully can kick to on the backside who can knock down shots. I won't elaborate as this point is driven into the ground more than Kalis will be by our D Line in the years to come ( and thats a lot).

I really hope this team turns it around, as the talent is there. I'm not quite sure they will, but hey, if the Butler's, VCU's, and 9 loss UConn's can make a great run, so can the Bucks. Team has flaws, as does every team. Here's to hoping they turn it around and get hot.

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CentralMOBuck;2115515; said:
Is benching players at this point in the season really going to prove anything?
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I don't know if it is so much benching guys at it is getting some shooters on the floor. When you're 224th in the nation from three point range teams will collapse their defense and dare you to beat them from out there.

We need someone, anyone, to spread the defense from the outside.
 
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No question that we could use a reliable outside shot to spread the D.

But you don't compromise your D. You just don't. If the next great shooter is on the bench (neither Sibert or Ross has shown themselves to be that person) they have to be able to fulfill their role on D. If not we aren't talking about losing close games.


And for those who keep crying someone off the bench - we have seen quite a lot of Thompson lately. He has not been the answer. We have seen more of Scott. He has not been the answer. If the game is to keep calling for whoever isn't playing that is an easy game to play.

Heck, I even read a letter to the editor today that said our problem is that we aren't playing zone.
 
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Oh8ch;2115572; said:
No question that we could use a reliable outside shot to spread the D.

But you don't compromise your D. You just don't. If the next great shooter is on the bench (neither Sibert or Ross has shown themselves to be that person) they have to be able to fulfill their role on D. If not we aren't talking about losing close games.

And for those who keep crying someone off the bench - we have seen quite a lot of Thompson lately. He has not been the answer. We have seen more of Scott. He has not been the answer. If the game is to keep calling for whoever isn't playing that is an easy game to play.
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Agree 100%. The two mentioned above are seeing substantial court time BECAUSE they are playing good defense. Unfortunately they aren't bringing much on the offensive side of the court.

Heck, I even read a letter to the editor today that said our problem is that we aren't playing zone.
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Jim Boeheim writing to newspapers to spread the Gospel of the Zone?
 
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Oh8ch;2115572; said:
No question that we could use a reliable outside shot to spread the D.

But you don't compromise your D. You just don't. If the next great shooter is on the bench (neither Sibert or Ross has shown themselves to be that person) they have to be able to fulfill their role on D. If not we aren't talking about losing close games.


And for those who keep crying someone off the bench - we have seen quite a lot of Thompson lately. He has not been the answer. We have seen more of Scott. He has not been the answer. If the game is to keep calling for whoever isn't playing that is an easy game to play.

Heck, I even read a letter to the editor today that said our problem is that we aren't playing zone.
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So the alternative is to keep doing what we're doing, and beat mediocre to horrible teams, but lose to good teams that we still have way more talent than? It just seems that you always criticize any post that proposes any alternative to what the coaches are currently doing. No offense meant by my post but I really don't think that posts suggesting alternative approaches are all bad, considering the disappointing Big Ten season.
 
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I've watched very little of the season, but when I have watched it seems that this team isn't hitting foul shots.... like under 2 minutes to go, a chance to go up by three and Aaron Craft blows a one and one, after Taylor - Turner - Thompson??? missed a chance for a three following a great move under the basket and then I thought, what a crazy thing to say to a group who can cite chapter and verse on team stats... oh well, that's what I see and a confession to how little attention I pay to any sport other than college football.

Strange, I used to love college basketball and ML baseball.

Sorry. I'll shut up and go back and wait for August to roll around.
 
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cincibuck;2115596; said:
I've watched very little of the season, but when I have watched it seems that this team isn't hitting foul shots...
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FT shooting this year: 70.3%
FT shooting last year: 70.1%

Virtually the same.

Three point shooting this year: 33.2%
Three point shooting last year: 42.3%

THAT is the difference. Defenses are collapsing on Sully because we don't scare them from the outside.
 
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Okay, I'll jump in here in this conversation. The thing that I think this team is lacking this season (aside from a perimeter threat) is the fact that it's not playing like a team. They have regressed from November onward. It's as if they came out and trucked Duke, bought the hype and expected to coast through the season. The leadership has not been there. I love Buford, but he's a role player. He's not a vocal in-your-face guy like he needs to be. Sully has not taken this team on his shoulders like I expected this season. In fact, I think teams have figured him out and he has had a hard time adjusting to it. His athleticism and strength aren't going to cut it any more, time to quit whining about calls and play like a true "big". Thomas has become the MVP of this team. All in all, it feels like there is just something missing from the squad.

Perhaps it's too many egos or clash of personalities....I'm really not sure. I just don't think this season's team is cohesive enough to make a run. If they can somehow get their act together in March, they could live to see April. If not, they'll be unpacking their lockers before many people are officially eliminated from their office pools. I sure hope I'm being pessimistic here, but I just don't see the "it" in this team this year.
 
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Jake;2115552; said:
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When you're 224th in the nation from three point range teams will collapse their defense and dare you to beat them from out there.
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From what I have seen, that is not the case. Our shooters are covered very well from beyond the three point line. Wisconsin had a lot more open three point shots. That makes me wonder if our offense is designed to get the shooters open beyond the three point line? I need to watch to see how many off ball screens we do to try to get the shooters open.
 
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Jake;2115598; said:
FT shooting this year: 70.3%
FT shooting last year: 70.1%

Virtually the same.

Three point shooting this year: 33.2%
Three point shooting last year: 42.3%

THAT is the difference. Defenses are collapsing on Sully because we don't scare them from the outside.
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I know that you are comparing one year to the next, but the numbers still are not good. Indiana is shooting 75.5%. 70.1% puts Ohio State tied with 10 others at 121. If you look into the numbers, you will see that Ohio State has attempted about 100 less free throws than Indiana and made 110 less. That adds up. If Ohio State made two more free throw yesterday they would not have had to put up a three at the end of the game.
 
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