WR Ted Ginn, Jr. (Official Thread)

[Buckeyecty4]

Breaston has great hands though and is tough. Ginn hasn't displayed either characteristic. I really didn't realize his hands were as bad as they have proven to be.

 

[Kenshin]

Breaston has great hands though and is tough. Ginn hasn't displayed either characteristic. I really didn't realize his hands were as bad as they have proven to be.

I'm not sold they're that bad. I think it's partially a mental thing.
I think he can still have a good career in the NFL if he keeps working at it. If he can just ignore the fans and stop dropping so many passes he could be an integral part of Miamis' offense. Running the wildcat like they do, I don't think they need a true #1 WR. A major deep threat like Ginn should add a scary dimension to their offense on his own.
The role he plays in Miami fits if he can just stop dropping passes and ignore the unreasonable expectations.

 

[Buckskin86]

Posted on Tuesday, 10.27.09
IN MY OPINION
Miami Dolphins' Ted Ginn Jr. not getting it done
By GREG COTE
[email protected]

Miami Dolphins wide receiver Ted Ginn Jr. drops a pass in the fourth quarter of a game against the New Orleans Saints on Sunday, Oct. 25, 2009 at Land Shark Stadium in Miami Gardens. JOE RIMKUS JR. / STAFF PHOTO

A day later, asked about Ginn's failings again, Sparano did the coaching tap-dance. Tony is so forthright, so detailed. Usually. Except when he's pulling a muscle bending over backward to not fricassee a player publicly. That's when something like this comes out:

``Well, I thought some of the situations, right now, that have occurred [with Ginn] have been, quite honestly, circumstances.''

Huh?

``In other words,'' Sparano elaborated, ``what I mean by that is, there is a lot of things that go into some of these things.''

OK then.

In other words, and these are my words, Ginn isn't very good but his head coach can't say that.

``I think Ted is a young guy who is getting better, has been improving along the way and just didn't have a real good ballgame yesterday.''

CUT YOUR LOSSES

When those not-real-good games far outnumber the games in which a draft's ninth overall pick plays to that level, well, I dunno, it might be time for a team to eat its loss and try something else.

Journeymen Davone Bess and Greg Camarillo are consistently more productive than Ginn. And, based on Sunday's effort, rookie Brian Hartline probably deserves to start getting more of the snaps wasted on Ginn.

The problem is, more opposing defenses will start doing what the Saints did to Miami on Sunday: stacking up to stop the run and daring Miami to pass, gambling that single-coverage will be enough against a Dolphins receiving corps that presents nobody to cause a cornerback the slightest indigestion.

Ginn is supposed to be the answer there, the go-to guy, the game-breaker. Instead he keeps presenting him oppositely, as the frail, undersized wideout who is the physical antithesis of the tough team Miami wants to be.

This isn't scapegoating Ginn or putting Sunday's collapse all on him. But if you like things simple and neat with your blame, well, you can have that one bad timeout.

I'll take the No. 1 draft pick who continues to not be what the Dolphins thought they were getting and so desperately need.

Miami Dolphins' Ted Ginn Jr. not getting it done - Miami Dolphins - MiamiHerald.com

Ted Ginn heads back to the Tuna's doghouse
Posted by Mike Florio on October 26, 2009

Two weeks ago tonight, Dolphins receiver Ted Ginn made an impressive catch on a long touchdown that helped deliver a win over the Jets.

On Sunday, however, Ginn was back to eating pre-game popcorn, with multiple key drops in the 46-34 loss to the Saints.

Per ESPN's Chris Mortensen (who likely still has a pipeline to his former ESPN colleague, Bill Parcells), Ginn will see reduced playing time going forward.

Mort also said that, if the trade deadline were tomorrow instead of last Tuesday, the Dolphins would be dialing up the Ravens and offering Ginn to the team whose offensive coordinator, Cam Cameron, drafted Ginn in 2007 with the ninth overall pick.

So why didn't the Dolphins do it last week? In hindsight, it would have been a great time to sell high, with Ginn looking great against the Jets.

As a result, Miami missed an opportunity, and now they're stuck with Ginn through the balance of the season.

Unless they eventually decide to cut him.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/10/26/ted-ginn-heads-back-to-the-tunas-doghouse/

 

[Buckskin86]

Ted Ginn Jr. off to the side as 1st- and 2nd-team offenses run plays, Channing Crowder sits out
by Edgar Thompson

Wide receiver Ted Ginn Jr. is officially in the Dolphins? dog house.

While the 1st- and 2nd-team offenses ran two plays each at the beginning of practice, Ginn was off to the side with rookie WR Pat Turner and practice squad WRs Julius Pruit and James Robinson.

A bit later, Ginn lined up in one-on-one passing drills, beat new practice squad safety Nate Ness and dropped an over-the-shoulder catch in the end zone.

This comes a few days after Ginn dropped three passes during a loss to the Saints. The killer was a bobble of a perfect pass from Chad Henne that was deflected into the hands of Darren Sharper, who returned it for a TD to cut the lead to 24-17 early in the second half.

Ted Ginn Jr. off to the side as 1st- and 2nd-team offenses run plays, Channing Crowder sits out | Miami Dolphins news, training updates, injury reports, trades & more – The Daily Dolphin blog

October 28, 2009
It's time Dolphins had a Ginntervention
Posted by Omar Kelly on October 28, 2009

It's time for an Intervention.

And it's not just the Miami Dolphins that have a problem with Ted Ginn Jr.

YOU DO. That's right, I'm talking to you.

You're addicted to bashing the former Ohio State receiver. You're addicted to making this sprinter masquerading as a football player the target of your anger because....well....his limited toughness makes him an easy mark.

But at this point you're just being a bully.

Sparano gets on Ted Ginn Like Tony Sparano, who must decide to either get tough on Ginn, or continue to serve as an enabler, I have decided to get tough on you.... and myself.

It's time to stop picking on Ginn and his awesome family.

He'll never be the go-to receiver you envisioned or hoped he'd become. We've figured that out in his two-plus seasons. The third year is when you figure out what a receiver will be, and it's clear that Ginn, at best, is a No. 2 option who primarily works to stretch the field. So basically, he's a decoy. He's Alvin Harper.

Ginn hasn't been the dynamic returner Cam Cameron promised. We've come to terms with that already, but there's a chance he could eventually take off if the blocking units get significantly better. He should also regularly handle the kickoff AND punt roles until he screws up.

Yes he drops passes in crucial situations, and failed to make three key plays (bobbling the ball that was intercepted and returned for a touchdown, the half-hearted effort to bring in a deep pass, and the fourth-quarter drop on that crucial drive) that contributed to the Dolphins losing Sunday's game against the Saints.

But Ted Ginn Jr. isn't the reason the Dolphins lost to the Saints. The Dolphins overcame each one of his mistakes (or heartless plays). That's the truth you choose to ignore.

He's also not the reason this team is 2-4.

He wasn't the only one player who failed to step up, or dropped the ball (figuratively and literally) last Sunday, or on previous Sundays. He's just become an easy mark, the fan base's punching bag. I understand someone must get pummeled in the head with your anger and frustration, but is it fair?

Does Ginn deserve to lose his starting job, for at least a week? Absolutely! Rookie receiver Brian Hartline, his former Ohio State teammate, already runs better routes, and has a superior grasp of the playbook according to one team source. But that doesn't mean Ginn's going away. He has the one skill-set no other receiver on the team has: SPEED, and it's often used to keep the opposition's defense honest.

Miami Dolphins | Sun-Sentinel Blogs: It's time Dolphins had a Ginntervention

 

[BuckeyeNation27]

I'm partly surprised he hasn't been traded to the Raiders yet. Partly only because him being traded means that the Raiders actually understand the steps that need to be taken to pull off a trade.

 

[Dryden]

I'm partly surprised he hasn't been traded to the Raiders yet. Partly only because him being traded means that the Raiders actually understand the steps that need to be taken to pull off a trade.

Lester Hays has the solution for all Teddy's problems.

 

[Buckskin86]

Ginn might not get start against Jets
By Chris Perkins
Special Correspondent
October 29, 2009

DAVIE - Dolphins wide receiver Ted Ginn Jr., the ninth pick of the 2007 draft, might have lost his starting job. Coach Tony Sparano was noncommittal Wednesday when he was asked whether the struggling Ginn will start Sunday at the New York Jets.

"I don't want to say yes, I don't want to say no right now," Sparano said.

Ginn (18 receptions, 211 yards, one touchdown) shared repetitions with the first-team offense during Wednesday's practice, and it appears there's a chance rookie Brian Hartline (10-157, 1 TD) or veteran Greg Camarillo (19-174, 0 TDs) could start ahead of Ginn on Sunday.

Also in the mix to start at wide receiver opposite Davone Bess (26-188, 0 TDs), but to a much lesser extent, is rookie Patrick Turner, the third-round pick from Southern California who hasn't yet been on the active roster.

"Today we just went in there and said, 'Let's let it fly'" Sparano said. "We've got five guys there that are playing this position. Let's let them all work and see where we go from there."

Ginn has been something of a disappointment during his NFL career of two-plus seasons. He's become the target of venomous rants by Dolphins fans after he has dropped passes or watched them deflect off his hands, such as last week's interception that New Orleans safety Darren Sharper returned 42 yards for a TD.

Ginn, who Sunday could be matched with Pro Bowl pick Darrelle Revis, one of the NFL's best cornerbacks, has just five receptions for 77 yards in the past four games, but 53 of those yards came on his one TD. Ginn chose not to speak with reporters Wednesday.

Sparano was also asked about an ESPN report that claimed Ginn would have reduced playing time in coming games.

"I have no comment," Sparano bristled.

Ginn might not get start against Jets -- South Florida Sun-Sentinel.com

Ginn Finally Banished to Sidelines
The stench of Cam Cameron lingers...
By JANIE CAMPBELL
Wed, Oct 28, 2009

On one hand, the backlash against Ted Ginn, Jr. deserves a little backlash. It's his fault he's not doing his job well, but it's Cam Cameron's fault for handicapping the Dolphins into giving Ginn so much time to figure out how to catch (or not). And he didn't single-handedly lose to the Saints.

On the other, it's about time Ginn sat in the corner to think about what he's done. When the only argument a staff can make for playing time is that he's speedy enough to keep defenses honest, even though the entire world knows he can't catch a downfield pass, it's over -- drama overblown or otherwise.

So the Dolphins are finally moving on, at least for a week. Ginn spent today's workouts watching the first and second team offenses play without him, following Tony Sparano's admission that rookie Brian Hartline has earned more opportunities. Ginn was joined on the sidelines by rookie WR Pat Turner and practice squad hands James Robinson and Julius Pruit, while Hartline, Davone Bess, and Greg Camarillo rounded out the O.

There's probably little a first-rounder could find more insulting, so it'll be interesting to see how Ginn responds. Judging from what happened later in one-on-one drills -- Ginn beat practice quad safety Nate Ness but then dropped a pass and was yelled at -- the response hasn't started yet. Or maybe that's all there will be

Ginn Finally Banished to Sidelines | NBC Miami

Signs pointing to Miami Dolphins receiver Ted Ginn losing his starting spot
By EDGAR THOMPSON
Palm Beach Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, October 28, 2009

DAVIE-Ted Ginn Jr.'s days as a Dolphins' starting receiver could be numbered.

But coach Tony Sparano said he's giving Ginn a chance to keep his job, even if indications during Wednesday's practice were that he'd been demoted, at least for now.

Three days after dropping key passes in the Dolphins' disappointing loss to New Orleans, Ginn did not take snaps with the first- and second-team offenses during the first 30 minutes of practice. Instead, he was grouped with rookie Pat Turner, who has not been activated during a game this season, and practice squad wide receivers Julius Pruit and James Robinson.

Asked after practice if Ginn had lost his starting spot, Sparano said, "I don't want to say yes, I don't want to say no."

Sparano said he wants to shake things up and see who practices best this week before he decides who will start at wide receiver for the Dolphins (2-4) Sunday on the road against the New York Jets.

"Right now I'm upsetting the whole apple cart and seeing how this thing goes," Sparano said.

"It always does depend on how they do in practice from my end."

Ginn declined to comment Wednesday and hasn't spoken to the media since he failed to come up with three catchable passes during the Saints' 46-34 win on Sunday ?- a game in which the Dolphins led 24-3.

On the third play of the second half, Ginn bobbled a perfectly thrown ball from Chad Henne. The ball ended up in the hands of Saints safety Darren Sharper, who returned it 42 yards for a touchdown to cut the lead to 24-17.

With Miami trailing 40-34, Ginn was wide open along the sideline and dropped a routine first-down pass. He also didn't come up with a throw from Henne in the end zone.

Despite Ginn's miscues, Henne said he hasn't lost confidence in him.

Henne has known Ginn since they were national high school all-stars and, later, college rivals when Henne attended Michigan and Ginn Ohio State.

"There were two or three plays that were missed catches, but I have so much confidence in Ted and his ability," Henne said. "I know his talent. I'm not worried about Ted at all."

Signs pointing to Miami Dolphins receiver Ted Ginn losing his starting spot

 

[Buckskin86]

Dan Henning defends embattled WR Ted Ginn Jr.
by Edgar Thompson

It?s not too surprising Dan Henning stood up for wide receiver Ted Ginn Jr. during the weekly press conference by the Dolphins offensive coordinator.

Henning?s reasoning is what is surprising.

?Ted Ginn made less mistakes in that game than at least nine other players on the offense,? Henning said, referring to the Dolphins? 46-34 loss to the Saints.

At least 16 players handled offensive snaps for the Dolphins, including just two by rookie QB Pat White, or one fewer play than dropped passes by Ginn.

Hard to imagine nine players were worse than Ginn. By Henning?s count, just five people on offense played better than Ginn.

Ginn bobbled a pass that lead to a interception for a TD, dropped a first-down throw late in the game and didn?t come up with a pass in the end zone.

Henning is a pretty straight shooter. He also admitted he views his players like his children.

?Ted Ginn had a game he?s not happy with and we?re not happy with,? Henning said. ?But it?s just like my children. I?m not always happy with my children, but I love my children, I?m going to support my children.?

Henning said Ginn remains one of the team?s top-four WRs and he?s the only one who provides a consistent a down field threat.

?Ted Ginn is the only player since we been here that?s gotten behind anybody?s defense and been able to knock to top off the defense,? Henning said. ?We?re going to continue to use Ted Ginn the way we think is best to use him to help this football team.?

Dan Henning defends embattled WR Ted Ginn Jr. | Miami Dolphins news, training updates, injury reports, trades & more ?€“ The Daily Dolphin blog

As supportive as Henning sounds, he wouldn't commit to Ginn remaining a starter, and even labeled rookie Brian Hartline one of the team's top three receivers, factoring in this year and last season.

Henning stressed that he uses a receiver by committee approach, which means it doesn't matter who starts. Often times the receivers on the field is based on the package being used.

"Sometimes Teddy is in there when it's a single receiver operation. Sometimes he's in there with two. Sometimes he's not in there with one. [Davone] Bess is in there sometimes by himself. [Greg] Camarillo by himself sometimes, and Hartline by himself," Henning said. "We have two studs we need to feed, and that's Ricky and Ronnie. The others, we have real good football players and we need to spread it around."

http://blogs.sun-sentinel.com/sport...ensive-coordinator-says-lay-off-ted-ginn.html

 

[Buckskin86]

Dolphins Ginn says he understands criticism after poor performance
By Mike Berardino South Florida Sun-Sentinel
October 29, 2009

DAVIE - Miami Dolphins wide receiver Ted Ginn Jr. understands why he has become the subject of widespread criticism in the wake of several critical dropped passes and general underperformance.

"Yeah, I mean, you've got to," Ginn said Thursday in the Dolphins locker room, speaking publicly for the first time since a poor showing in Sunday's loss to the Saints. "You're in a high-performance business. If you don't understand what people want out of you, then you shouldn't be in this game."

Ginn said he has leaned of late on his family, especially his father, as he has tried to handle the public outcry. He compared it to his sophomore year at Ohio State, when a slow start put him in the crosshairs of critics, but he rallied to a suitable conclusion.

"A lot of people had a lot of high expectations," Ginn said. "Towards the end it seemed to turn around and do better. The season's not over. … With the support I have from my fellow teammates and from coaches and things like that, I believe you go through a little situation like this where you try to become great."

Ginn was booed after his second outright drop of Sunday's loss, a pass from Chad Henne that should have gone for a 15-yard gain late in the fourth quarter.

That wasn't the only time he became aware of the negativity among the fan base and in the media.

"Oh, yeah, I hear it," he said. "I heard a lot after the game. It's a part of football. You just have to grow up, play hard and keep playing."

He said he thought he "had a pretty good practice" on Thursday, one day after Dolphins coach Tony Sparano said he was throwing the receiver rotation into open competition. After Thursday's practice, Sparano said he had noticed more "urgency" among the five contenders at the position but would not single anyone out.

"I mean, hey, it ain't the first time I've been through it," Ginn said. "The only thing I can do is go out and make the plays they ask me to make, play the time they ask me to play, and that's all I can do."

An ESPN report this week said Ginn has been told his role will be reduced, with rookie fourth-rounder Brian Hartline getting more opportunities on game day, but Ginn hinted he did not receive that same message from Sparano.

"I really don't have (any) competition like that," he said. "It's just more of a motivation talk than anything else. I'm just going to continue to do me."

Asked whether the coaching staff should still have faith in his ability to make plays, especially late in games, Ginn said it should.

"They have faith in everybody to make a play," he said. "You've got to come out, when your play is called or you have a good opportunity to make a catch, you're supposed to come down with it. That's what receivers are for. That's what your job is about. Just have to go out and try to make a good play all the time. "

Dolphins WR Ted Ginn Jr. says he understands criticism after poor performance -- South Florida Sun-Sentinel.com

 

[spurrier]

wow, its never ending with this guy. More than likely, the Dolphins would have won that game if he holds that catch. It a perfect throw. gahh. First round pick, lol..

 

[MaxBuck]

I recall Teddy as having good hands when he was a Buckeye. Have to wonder what the problem is (the same could probably be said for Braylon Edwards).

 

[Bucklion]

I recall Teddy as having good hands when he was a Buckeye. Have to wonder what the problem is (the same could probably be said for Braylon Edwards).

No, Braylon dropped a ton of passes at dUMb too. He was just good enough to torch average college DBs for big plays, so they were often overlooked.

 

[Bucklion]

Dolphins WR Ted Ginn Jr. says he understands criticism after poor performance -- South Florida Sun-Sentinel.com

At least Teddy is manning up. He's at least acting like the antithesis of the stereotypical prima donna diva WR (read: Braylon), even if he is dropping passes like one on the field at the moment. I think he is a poor fit in Miami (Hartline is better there, a Breaston-like role somewhere would be much better for him) so I almost hope they deal him soon and see what he can do.

 

[spurrier]

I recall Teddy as having good hands when he was a Buckeye. Have to wonder what the problem is (the same could probably be said for Braylon Edwards).

Same thing with Troy Williamson. He caught everything at Carolina but cant catch a cold in the NFL. It was nice that the Vikings drafted Sidney to counteract that bum move. Troy, was great in college but seriously sucks in the NFL.

 

[Poe McKnoe]

wow, its never ending with this guy. More than likely, the Dolphins would have won that game if he holds that catch. It a perfect throw. gahh. First round pick, lol..

I smells a ex-player bashing a happenin'.