Yahoo, Tattoos, and tOSU (1-year bowl ban, 82 scholly limit for 3 years)

[NFBuck]

That's not a claim; it was known long before you people read this in the media. Just because you read something "many times" does not make it true or not true. Many acient folks believed that the earth was flat for a long time too.

But it is a claim unless you can provide some concrete evidence to back it up. It sounds like you're claiming to have some "inside info", but regardless, you'll forgive me if I don't buy that claim at face value. There are many people that post on this board and others that have a good deal of access to the program and it's inner workings, and I don't see many of them that buy that story. There is no evidence that the FBI told JT to keep things mum. That story is further tarnished by the fact that the Cicero emails were actually surfaced from a records request...not JT himself.

I like JT, I think he is a genuinely good man. I also think he is flawed and made a huge mistake. I think he acted in self-preservation by protecting his players during a potential National Championship season. A mistake, just like everybody else makes in some form. Difference is, his mistake became national news, and he's paying for it far more publicly than most of us will ever have to.

 

[Abenaki]

PDBuckeyes Doug Lesmerises
I asked Gee how OSU handled entire NCAA issue: "I think we stumbled out of the gate. ... From that point on I think we have done very well"
12 minutes ago

Wait, what?








Really?

 

[alexhortdog95]

So, here's a Left Coast (Portland) perspective to lighten things up:

The media here thinks tOSU is an NCAA darling and got off with a slap on the wrist.

OS Beaver fans think it's a sign that duck served two ways will soon be on all local restaurant menus.

And Duck fans (typically with their heads under water) think they were ripped off by a fly-by-night recruiting service and will not face any sanctions whatsoever. (Of course, Duck fans also think they didn''t get their ass kicked by tOSU, Auburn and LSU.)

POV is a wonderful thing, eh?

Personally, I think it could have been worse. I'm still excited enough about the new energy to join a fan site and post on it (hopefully without getting "sanctioned")!

You actually beat me to this one (only because I was out and didn't have access to the laptop to post).

I went into this one thinking that they were going to drop the sledge, the ball ping, and Thor's Molijnar on you guys. They actually didn't as I had feared.

The bowl ban and loss of scholarships sucks balls, but you guys have Urban freaking Meyer as a coach. I think you'll be fine.

Look at the USC situation - they did pretty well this year, even without the bowl trips they're going to miss. You guys are a wayyyyyyyy better team than SC is.

Personally, I thought they were going to give you guys a two year ban, five schollies a year.

Finally - not appealing the decision tells me either one of two things (or both):

1. Gene Smith, having worked on the same committee before (I believe, correct me if I'm wrong) may think the school got of lighter than what he thought.

2. The NCAA told Smith and Gee that this would be the school's 'slap on the wrist' because they could come down harder (speculative, of course, hard to know what the heads at the NCAA are thinking).

 

[BB73]

Finally - not appealing the decision tells me either one of two things (or both):

1. Gene Smith, having worked on the same committee before (I believe, correct me if I'm wrong) may think the school got of lighter than what he thought.

2. The NCAA told Smith and Gee that this would be the school's 'slap on the wrist' because they could come down harder (speculative, of course, hard to know what the heads at the NCAA are thinking).

Gene Smith thought there would be no bowl ban. Since there was no LOIC, most Buckeye fans thought the same thing - all of the other aspects of the sanctions were no surprise, expect for Tressel getting 5 years instead of a 3-year 'show cause' order - but that doesn't affect tOSU.

 

[Buckeye1]

No more comment on that subject. Seriously, do you think I would give that information to you here or anyway else?

That is a good view and consistent with his character. You seriously think he would have done differently if this was not a national championship year? Yes, he made a mistake, a huge one indeed. But he did not do so to win games; he was torn...only those who know him well may ever understand. Have you ever make a promise to someone that you will take great care of their kids? He is hurting more today after the news.

But it is a claim unless you can provide some concrete evidence to back it up. It sounds like you're claiming to have some "inside info", but regardless, you'll forgive me if I don't buy that claim at face value. There are many people that post on this board and others that have a good deal of access to the program and it's inner workings, and I don't see many of them that buy that story. There is no evidence that the FBI told JT to keep things mum. That story is further tarnished by the fact that the Cicero emails were actually surfaced from a records request...not JT himself.

I like JT, I think he is a genuinely good man. I also think he is flawed and made a huge mistake. I think he acted in self-preservation by protecting his players during a potential National Championship season. A mistake, just like everybody else makes in some form. Difference is, his mistake became national news, and he's paying for it far more publicly than most of us will ever have to.

 

[Bucklion]

Anyone see the bowl pregame tonight? (SIAP) John Saunders and Trevor Mattich or Twatbitch or whatever his name is spent 15 minutes saying hoe easy we got it and what a double standard it is that poor innocent USC got more for doing less wrong. WTFE...ESPN at its finest.

 

[SouthernBuck]

Anyone see the bowl pregame tonight? (SIAP) John Saunders and Trevor Mattich or Twatbitch or whatever his name is spent 15 minutes saying hoe easy we got it and what a double standard it is that poor innocent USC got more for doing less wrong. WTFE...ESPN at its finest.

I did see that and I was honestly a bit surprised they said USC got it worse for doing less. To put that controversy and tOSU controversy in the same category is insane.

 

[CHU]

Anyone see the bowl pregame tonight? (SIAP) John Saunders and Trevor Mattich or Twatbitch or whatever his name is spent 15 minutes saying hoe easy we got it and what a double standard it is that poor innocent USC got more for doing less wrong. WTFE...ESPN at its finest.

Just avoid ESPN all together except for Ohio State/Big Ten games, because it's not going to change (ever).

"Adult-Block" the College Football sections of ESPN.com and CBSSports.com.

Many say you shouldn't have to do these things, but it's not going to et better or change. And it's therapeutic.

 

[NFBuck]

No more comment on that subject. Seriously, do you think I would give that information to you here or anyway else?.

It's easy to claim first hand info behind the anonymity of a message board. Again, you'll forgive me being skeptical of a stranger on a message board claiming to be "in the know".

 

[unionfutura]

No more comment on that subject. Seriously, do you think I would give that information to you here or anyway else?

That is a good view and consistent with his character. You seriously think he would have done differently if this was not a national championship year? Yes, he made a mistake, a huge one indeed. But he did not do so to win games; he was torn...only those who know him well may ever understand. Have you ever make a promise to someone that you will take great care of their kids? He is hurting more today after the news.

No offense but JT has a history of pulling this type of thing, it's his biggest flaw, he really hoped it would "take care" of itself. He didn't want to deal with it and in the end it came up and bit him in the you know what.

 

[jlb1705]

Tony Gerdeman (@GerdOzone)
12/20/11 9:39 PM
ESPN is comparing OSU and USC's sanctions via a graphic. They don't bother to list the violations. Likely didn't have room for all of USC's.

 

[BB73]

They don't seem to want to compare them to Georgia Tech, North Carolina, or what South Carolina just self-imposed, since that wouldn't make the tOSU sanctions seem light by comparison.

 

[CHU]

I just think it's great that the players get more bowl practice with an outgoing staff rather than the new staff.

Gene Smith was really banking on that Mayan Prophecy of 2012.

 

[Gothmog8]

In retrospect, tOSU needed to be spinning this line more heavily:

"We've self-reported and cooperated - if we're hit with a bowl ban, what incentive will any other schools have to cooperate in the future?"

In order to counteract all of the negative media crap that helped the NCAA decide that they had to hit tOSU hard.

I keep saying that the media is really the driving factor in a lot of what happens in just about everything. Who broke the story? Who fueled the negativity? Who does investigative reporting, like who drives what car when? Who likes to air crappy press conferences? Who is in bed with the SEC?

Who does Mark [censored]ing may work for?

Meh. Anyway fuck the NCAA and Michigan. Looking forward to 2012.

 

[BB73]

I keep saying that the media is really the driving factor in a lot of what happens in just about everything. Who broke the story? Who fueled the negativity? Who does investigative reporting, like who drives what car when? Who likes to air crappy press conferences? Who is in bed with the SEC?

Who does Mark [censored]ing may work for?

Meh. Anyway fuck the NCAA and Michigan. Looking forward to 2012.

Ohio State self-reported the JT emails in January, when a staffer found them while working on a FOI request on an unrelated matter; although the big story didn't come out until Yahoo reported it in early March. But Yahoo didn't find the violations, they just caught wind of the investigation and reported it.