Yahoo, Tattoos, and tOSU (1-year bowl ban, 82 scholly limit for 3 years)

[gnepmatt]

I believe both tOSU and the NCAA know what the final sanctions will be. In an attempt for the NCAA to look compitent and there to not be a huge outcry for harsher penalties the NCAA will impose an additional set of minor sanctions, much less then what everyone is calling for, maybe a few scholarships for a year or two.

Imagine if the NCAA agrees with the sanctions OSU imposed today, everyone is going to say OSU got off early or paid of the NCAA...but if the NCAA increases them a little it doesn't make it look like OSU is the teachers pet.

Not saying I agree with more sanctions but it just wouldn't surprise me with the amount of heat the NCAA is coming under.

Why would the NCAA care what the media has to say? They're a fucking monopoly, they control all of college athletics and no matter what will control all college athletics, rather or not ESPN and the mainstream media agrees with their tactics.

 

[Jaxbuck]

I don't recall the NCAA giving much of a shit about public outrage when they couldn't pin anything on Auburn.

If covering up the Tat 5 stuff is all they have and the guy who did that is gone, the main player culprit is gone and the school has beefed up compliance then I'm siding more and more with Smith here.

On top of that I made a couple of calls and found out several of the NCAA compliance people are from Pinellas County Florida so I like our chances.
















(too soon?)

 

[jwinslow]

The more I look at it, the more I question whether the firm's recommendation is a good idea.

OSU is not staring down big sanctions, no matter how often the emotional media squeals that they should.

Self imposing small penalties like 6 scholarships might satisfy the NCAA but it might also open a door they want to keep closed. It admits that they deserve to be handicapped moving forward, they just think it should be smaller. Now the NCAA no longer has to make that leap, they just have to shift the numbers involves.

If the NCAA wants to send a message, they can do it with no future penalties or with minor ones. Neither set makes OSU look very tough on themselves.

 

[Gatorubet]

I am shocked that you would bring that up. Never saw that before in your past commentary or interest in the subject.

The NCAA wanted them to play. Arkansas wanted them to play. OSU wanted them to play.

No further wrongdoing was discovered involving those players since the NCAA chose to postpone the punishment for the sake of ratings.

If anything, that behavior is a ringing endorsement of what Tressel did.

I wasn't aware that "wanting to play" somehow eradicated the negative effects of cheating. I was not aware that a "not cheating any more" doctrine exists where you get to ignore the actual cheating that you did - if you do not do it anymore. Wait! I just remembered a Cam rule.

You know that Auburn fans will insist that they won the BCS Championship even after the inevitable vacation of that win and their cheating is revealed. When they do, you have two choices: one, you can agree that they still won it because "Oregon wanted them to play....the NCAA, ESPN and SEC wanted them to play....etc, etc." Or two - you can get into a fine point [censored]ing contest about how their cheating is not like my cheating, and even though YOU did not deserve to be there because of your cheating, WE did because our was less bad.

Cool.

Mostly, I liked the set up to use the slippery slope picture.

 

[gnepmatt]

I don't recall the NCAA giving much of a [Mark May] about public outrage when they couldn't pin anything on Auburn.

If covering up the Tat 5 stuff is all they have and the guy who did that is gone, the main player culprit is gone and the school has beefed up compliance then I'm siding more and more with Smith here.

On top of that I made a couple of calls and found out several of the NCAA compliance people are from Pinellas County Florida so I like our chances.
















(too soon?)

 

[Mac]

You do realize that you'll forever forfeit the right to criticize the fans of SEC teams who cheated and won - if their wins are later vacated and their fans insist on the win despite the cheating?

That's a

my friends...

OSU was cleared for the bowl game....and if that happens oh well I won't criticize.

 

[Onebuckfan]

tOSU deservers credit for time served since the YAHOO article came out...about the only media outlet not cracking on us is Nancy Grace..I couldn't take 5 mos of her calling JT the tat dad!

 

[Gatorubet]

On top of that I made a couple of calls and found out several of the NCAA compliance people are from Pinellas County Florida so I like our chances.






(too soon?)

Too obscure.

 

[jwinslow]

I wasn't aware that "wanting to play" somehow eradicated the negative effects of cheating. I was not aware that a "not cheating any more" doctrine exists where you get to ignore the actual cheating that you did - if you do not do it anymore. Wait! I just remembered a Cam rule.

and what cheating did OSU do wrt the sugar bowl?

The NCAA knew and ruled them eligible until the following season. What jeopardized their eligibility since then?

You know that Auburn fans will insist that they won the BCS Championship even after the inevitable vacation of that win and their cheating is revealed. When they do, you have two choices: one, you can agree that they still won it because "Oregon wanted them to play....the NCAA, ESPN and SEC wanted them to play....etc, etc." Or two - you can get into a fine point [censored]ing contest about how their cheating is not like my cheating, and even though YOU did not deserve to be there because of your cheating, WE did because our was less bad.

Cool.

Mostly, I liked the set up to use the slippery slope picture.

auburn fans claim a lot of stupid stuff, see their previous parade.

Am I going to flaunt a game that was vacated? No.

Boasting about something is different than not agreeing that it never happened, particularly on your own message board the day the eraser shows up.

 

[SmoovP]

I don't recall the NCAA giving much of a [Mark May] about public outrage when they couldn't pin anything on Auburn.

The Auburn investigation is ongoing.

The ruling that allowed Cam Newton to play was an eligibility ruling, not a compliance ruling.

When the compliance ruling finally comes out, most folks in the SEC expect Auburn to take it in the butt.

 

[BuckeyeNation27]

You at least setup the appearance that you're are taking this issue seriously and want it never to happen again, the NCAA doesn't want to ban OSU football from bowl games, but it also wants the appearance of people following the rules.

Right now we are pinning this all on a rogue coach who didn't know what to do with the information he was given and therefore made a bad judgement. This doesn't fly, we played 5 ineligible players 13 games while our coach repeatedly hid information from the school and the NCAA, including lying when the situation came out in the media before our bowl game. The NCAA gave us a break that time, I don't expect another one. We burned them.

that's one way of looking at it.

 

[SmoovP]

and what cheating did OSU do wrt the sugar bowl?

Played their way into the Sugar Bowl by knowingly using 5 (or more) ineligible players.

Without Pryor, Boom and the rest, do you think tOSU would have gone 11-1?

 

[IronBuckI]

and what cheating did OSU do wrt the sugar bowl?

The NCAA knew and ruled them eligible until the following season. What jeopardized their eligibility since then?
auburn fans claim a lot of stupid stuff, see their previous parade.

Am I going to flaunt a game that was vacated? No.

Boasting about something is different than not agreeing that it never happened, particularly on your own message board the day the eraser shows up.

The coach lied to the NCAA about his own eligiblity.

 

[buckeyes712]

The school is liable, because of Smith's sham of a statement back in December of being an isolated incident that they dealt with the issue as soon as they found out. Which we know now that his investigation either was mishandled or didn't even exist. Follow up that with the famous press conference and you have a picture of a school unwilling to punish itself

UF - Do you think there will be another NOA from the NCAA before the August hearing or has everything already come out?

 

[matcar]

Played their way into the Sugar Bowl by knowingly using 5 (or more) ineligible players.

Without Pryor, Boom and the rest, do you think tOSU would have gone 11-1?

No idea, and it doesn't matter. They were ruled eligible. A dumb ruling by a stupid governing body...but there you have it.